--- "steven l. rubenstein" rubenste@ohiou.edu wrote:
I am concerned with WHEELER's anti-semitism. He has made some offensive remarks in the past, but ones I could dismiss as poor communication in the course of heated debate. Now he really has posted an ad hominem non-sequitor on the following page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Early_National_Socialism/draft#personal_pe...
In the context of a discussion with AndyL over the relationship between the Austrian and Hungarian National Socialist movements, WHEELER posted the following: And by the way since you want to declare a pedigree just because your relatives suffered under the Holocaust. [As far as I can tell, this is not true; Andy L always bases his arguments on historical documentation -- SLR] The Nazis also committeed atrocities on the island of Crete. My uncle, Sirodakis, was a great underground fighter. It was my island that lead a ferocious resistance to the Nazis. It was my co-religionists, Catholic priests that went to the camps as well. And it was Jewish communists that destroyed the Orthodox Church in Russia. Many a Christian died in Jewish concentration camps in Russian before the Nazis ever killed a single Jew. So don't cry buster and don't wave your victimhood in my face.[[User:WHEELER|WHEELER]] 15:43, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Not only does this have nothing to do with the article, it is simple, base anti-semitism -- a simple association of bolshevism with Judaism that the Nazis themselves mastered and promoted. I think WHEELER should be banned for it, personally. At the very least it calls for a profound and sincere apology.
Steve
Steven L. Rubenstein Associate Professor Department of Sociology and Anthropology Bentley Annex Ohio University Athens, Ohio 45701
Surely you are aware that he may be correct in stating that some jews may have been communists (it was popular in the Soviet Union between the wars) and that some of them may have been involved in, how shall I say this, "purging" certain "christian" elements out of the New Soviet Society.
On the other hand, he may not be. But for you to say that this did not in fact happen means that your homework is rosk solid.
Calling them concentration camps may stretch the meaning of the word, but in the very liberal sense, camps where people are concentrated may be called concentration camp. Of course, it's a poor choice of words, but it's not illegal.
By the way, my grandfather was sent to a German labort camp. He was a captain in a french armor unit in 1940. So don't assume I don't know what I am talking about.
Finally: calling for a ban does not foster wikilove, so please calm down before clicking send and review your email to make sure it is constructive.
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