Paul Vogel wrote:
"Paul Vogel wrote: a bunch of hysterics"
Paul Vogel wrote a "bunch of hysterics"? or an ilk of lying hypocrites have, David, in a bigoted attempt to have me BANNED, BLOCKED, and CENSORED????
"Paul, I advise you to cease your campaign of flooding the mailing list with your complaints."
I advise you to cease your "personal insults" of "hysterics", David.
I'm sorry if you were insulted by my use of the word "hysterics" but your messages did seem to me to be characterized by overwhelming emotional excess. Please note however, that I didn't call you "hysterical". I simply characterized your complaints as "hysterics".
"They are inappropriately offensive and this list is an inappropriate place to engage in such arguments."
It is offensive and inappropriate for you to defend any such ilks censorship,lying hypocrisy, and selfish bigotry, David.
Perhaps it is offensive or inappropriate of me to defend "ilks censorship", whatever that is, but that doesn't change the fact that your behavior was inappropriate and I don't see any evidence on your part to acknowledge that you are behaving inappropriately. This is about you, not me.
"If you have complaints about how you or your ideas are being treated, I invite you to follow the procedures outlined in <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution".
I already had, and they fell on deaf ears, David.
Your request for arbitration is still active. Once four arbitrators approve hearing the case, then the case will move forward into arbitration. This part of dispute resolution does not move quickly, so I advise you to be calm and patient while the matter is in arbitration.
"The postings you have made to the mailing list today are not likely to be looked kindly upon by the members of the arbitration committee if your case should appear before them."
Only if they themselves are bigots, and do refuse to see the factual evidence that is made available to them, David.
Calling people names and making other ad hominem attacks is inappropriate. Your postings to the mailing list today contained such attacks in violation of Wikipedia policy. Those are facts that the arbitrators will consider.
"I would like to point out to you that there have been previous instances when exteremly upset Wikipedians have gone on posting rampages making wild accusations on the mailing list, as you have."
I am sure that this has happened before, with other innocent victims, and also with some well and with some deserving "Trolls" and "Vandals", which I am NOT, David.
I have not accused you of being a troll or vandal. I am just pointing out that your behavior on the mailing list is in violation of Wikipedia policy and you may be subject to sanctions such as banning as a result of your behavior. Your beliefs and ideas that you want to include on Wikipedia are not in question here. In fact, I have no idea what they are as I haven't investigated this dispute at all except for reading your inappropriate postings to the mailing list.
"All those users have either left Wikipedia or ended up permanently banned."
Indeed. Do NOT throw out the good with the bad, as I do actually suspect has really happened here and as often as NOT, David.
We here at Wikipedia believe that in order to participate here, you have to follow our guidelines and policies for behavior. If you fail to do so, you will be subject to sanctions. This information is very clearly stated on many pages on Wikipedia.
"If you have any interest at all in continuing to contribute to Wikipedia, I suggest you start behaving within the policies and guidelines for behavior set by Wikipedia, EVEN IF you believe that others are not obeying the policies."
NO. Either EVERYONE is TREATED EQUALLY, without DOUBLE-STANDARDS, with those POLICIES, or this WIKI PROJECT is being run by CENSOROUS and HYPOCRITICAL LIARS and POV BIGOTS, David.
This is a false dichotomy. There are many alternate possibilities. Also, again, this screaming and personal attacks are inappropriate. I am sorry you feel that Wikipedia is not well-run, but do you really believe that screaming on the mailing list is going to change any of that?
"Two wrongs do not make a right."
Then support the rights, and NOT the WRONGS, David. BE a REAL MAN!
I'm not supporting or rejecting anything. All I've done is point out to you that your behavior is unacceptable. It doesn't matter to me what anyone else did to make you behave this way. The only question here that I am considering is your behavior on the mailing list. I am trying to maintain civility here on the mailing list and you are compromising that civility with your name-calling. Let me be clear: I don't have an issue with you, I have an issue with your behavior.
"Finally, since you seem to have totally flown off the handle, I expect you are unlikely to do any of what I ask."
Indeed. You first, David. Lead by example.
I'm not the one SCREAMING and calling people names, you are.
"Don't be surprised, then, when people treat you abusively in response to your treating them abusively."
Indeed, but, you do always forget that it has been the other way around, David. Your own pov bias and lying hypocrisy is showing.
The only matter that I have made any statement concerning is your behavior. Perhaps your claim of my being biased and hypocritical might hold some weight if there were another campaign of complaints being made to the mailing list that I was ignoring in favor of focusing on you. I see no other such campaign; therefore your accusations of bias and hypocrisy are unfounded.
I would like to add that the Wikipedia community is very forgiving. However, forgiveness is only shown to those who show remorse for their actions. No matter who you are, if you fail to follow the policies, then you will be subject to sanctions. You have already admitted that you have attempted to elude those sanctions, which is also a violation of policy, regardless of whether the sanctions were applied appropriately or not. You are not above the rules here. Everyone is subject to them. Unless you start now and show that you're willing to follow the policies and obey the rules, you should expect to be punished for your violations.
You need to cease your inappropriate behavior, apologize, and promise that it won't happen again. You also need to promise that you will, starting now, obey all the rules and policies of Wikipedia. You should be a "REAL MAN" and start the healing process by being the first to admit your wrongs.
Finally, I have made the fourth agreement to hear your case, so your case is officially in arbitration now. I suggest you make your case on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Paul_Vogel
and place evidence on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Paul_Vogel/evidence
and the arbitrators will hear your case.
- David