I note newspaper article LibertarianAnarchist first linked to in the article [[2002 Gujarat violence]] http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/may/13rajeev.htm the following assertion: "The root cause in India is the decision circa 1947 by the Nehruvian Stalinists to impose apartheid against Hindus, by oppressing them in every conceivable way: [with laundry list]"
I gather from this that one of the extreme Hindu Nationalist assertions is the equation of the decisions of the Nehru government with Stalinism. This goes back to the decision by the founders of modern India that is was to be a secular state, not a Hindu state. I note also in the article [[2002 Gujarat violence]] the assertion "The Indian English media, which is largely Communist applauded the burning of Hindus by Muslims and stated that the Hindus asked for it."
The newspaper article contains the following classic example of doubletalk: "And the proximate cause of the ensuing riots in Gujarat, according to the 'intelligentsia', is the alleged nature of the so-called Hindu fundamentalists, a term that is, in passing, an oxymoron: the fundamentals of Hinduism are tolerance and plurality, so a 'Hindu fundamentalist' is a contradiction in terms." So there is no such thing as Hindu fundamentalism, but a few lines down, "The preponderant cause is endemic Islamic fundamentalism...."
So it seems that LibertarianAnarchist, in fact, is an advocate of a Hindu Nationalist Point of View with a decidely fascist tinge to his assertions. So if he has been treated roughly, he has in turn treated others roughly. This notion that Hindus are somehow oppressed in India is reminisence of the Nazi position that Germans thoughout Europe were an oppressed people the rescue of which required heroic actions from the German nation.
That said, I find some portions of LibertarianAnarchist's edit quite acceptable, for example his opening statement, "In February 2002, 58 train passengers, including Hindus returning from a pilgrimage to Ayodhya, were burnt alive by a mob of fundamentalist Muslims who surrounded the train near Godhra, Gujarat and set it alight after dousing it in petrol." His critics would replace this with, "In February and March 2002, about 58 people (apparently mostly Hindus) died in a train fire in Godhra, Gujarat." Neither version matches the report made by the investigation into the matter: http://www.sabrang.com/tribunal/vol2/godhra.html It seems to be the local Muslim population who attacked the train, but they seem to have been extremely provoked. To characterise them as Islamic fundamentalists seems false, as does the denatured language, "In February and March 2002, about 58 people (apparently mostly Hindus) died in a train fire in Godhra, Gujarat." Somehow it must be included that it was Hindu fundamentalists who were attacked with fire by a Muslim mob, not just "there was a fire".
Fred
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 05:45:09AM -0700, Fred Bauder wrote:
Libertarian wrote:
In particular, I've been having problems regarding contributions I've made on India. I've tried to stick to verifiable facts and present things in an encyclopedic manner, but there seem to be 3 members
I'm one of them ([User:Arvindn]). The others (that I remember) are Wik, VeryVerily, Jiang, Boud.
The articles in question are [[2002 Gujarat violence]], [[Bharatiya Janata Party]], [[Racism]], [[Genocide]] and a couple of others.
The person making the allegations has 3 usernames LibertarianAnarchist, Democrate2003 and Conradx. I'll call them LA for short. The above articles are the only ones LA has ever edited.