On 11/6/03 8:37 AM, "Gareth Owen" wiki@gwowen.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
Jimmy Wales jwales@bomis.com writes:
I will have to say that without endorsing every last detail of what he said necessarily, I am firmly in agreement with Cunc on this one.
I agree in principle, too. But Cunc is being disingenuous, trying defend bad and non-encyclopedic articles with warm words and fuzzy principles.
My words are not particularly warm and my principles are not at all fuzzy.
The pages he is defending on VfD with these arguments are: http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closings_and_cancellations_following_the_Septe... er_11%2C_2001_Terrorist_Attacks which is (IMHO) an OK article, but also many articles about people whose only claim to fame is that the died on 9/11.
Of these, cunc wrote (deeply speciously, I might add) "These are not tribute pages. They are encyclopedia entries. Tribute pages are "This guy is great, we love him so much." We *do* encourage people to write entries on people who died in the Holocaust, WW2, Vietnam, Iraq, Israeli terrorist attacks, Oklahoma City bombing, etc"
Firstly, I don't believe the second sentence to be true.
Well, I do. Not a very illuminating discussion.
Secondly, let me pick the first one from that list, and repeat it here in full: http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Alvarado
That content should be moved to sep11. But if we are to bandy about claims of disingenuousness, I would say it's disingenuous to imply that I was defending the Alvarado article out of a list of 26 entries.
Let me pick the second one from that list, and repeat it here in full: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Edward_Bowman,_Jr.
Shawn Edward Bowman, Jr. (19XX-September 11, 2001) was a computer specialist and active Eagle Scout. Born and raised in Staten Island, he worked as an information specialist in the human resources department of Cantor Fitzgerald in the World Trade Center.
He died at age 28 in the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack in the destruction of the World Trade Center.
He was survived by his then-pregnant wife Jennifer and his son, Liam (age 2). His son Jack Shawn was born January 2002.
He was an Eagle Scout in Troop 43, Staten Island. He was a member of the staff of Camp Aquehonga for 5 years. He worked in various positions, working as the Camp Services Director in 1992. In the summer of 2002, Camp Aquehonga, after raising over $15,000, rebuilt the campfire area as the Shawn E. Bowman, Jr. Ampitheatre.
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See September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Casualties.
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---- and the third: ---- Pamela Boyce (19XX-September 11, 2001) was the assistant vice president of accounting for Carr Futures, Inc.
She died at age 43 in the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack in the destruction of the World Trade Center.
She was at work in her office on the 92nd floor of Tower One when it was struck by American Airlines Flight 11.
She was survived by her life partner of 6 1/2 years, Catherine Anello, and a sister. After Pamela's death, in an interview with the Los Angeles Times, Catherine remembered conversations they had about death. Pamela said, "Don't mourn my death; celebrate my life. I'm not afraid to die, because where I'm going is beautiful."
Pamela lived in Brooklyn, and was a competitive disco dancer.
Tributes and Comments ---- and the 19th: --- John Joseph Murray was the founder of Putt for Progress? and a broker in New York City. He was an honor student at Salesianum? and had outstanding character. He was an excellent athlete, playing baseball, basketball, lacrosse, hockey and golf. He was also a strong swimmer, serving as a Long Island lifeguard, often leading dangerous ocean rescues.
Following graduation from Boston College in 1990, John began a career as a broker for Cantor Fitzgerald. In 1997, he launched "Putt for Progress," a foundation devoted to raising money for scleroderma research. Following his marriage to Rory Owens, to whom he proposed while jogging across the Brooklyn Bridge, they relocated to the London offices of Cantor Fitzgerald for some time before returning to New York.
He was killed in the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack while working in the World Trade Center. He was survived by his wife, their daughter Alyson Rose, born April 2001, and his parents.
Tributes and Comments ---- and the 25th: ---- Daniel Thomas Suhr ( -September 11, 2001) was a New York City firefighter. He lived in Nesconset, NY?, and was a member of Engine Company 216 in Williamsburg?.
He was killed at age 37 in the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack. He was struck and killed by a falling body outside the south tower of the World Trade Center. Seven firefighters who otherwise would have gone into the tower, including four from his company, came to his aid. Father Mychal F. Judge delivered last rites at the scene; a popular story is that Judge was killed while delivering the last rites, but he was killed later.
Suhr was survived by his wife Nancy Suhr.
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