There is no point in clogging up the wiki list with a constant re-analysis of the [[Communist state]] debate. But for the record, The Cunctator's statement that his "impression was that 172 and Jtdirl were upset by the claims about Communist states Fred was making and that they then decided to use the argument that they knew what "Communist state" meant and Fred and anyone who disagreed with them didn't" is factually incorrect. I made it clear on over thirty occasions (if not forty occasions - I stopped counting after a while) on the talk page that my problem was that Fred was adding in material to the wrong page. I said it. 172 said it. Tannin said. Tarquin said. Others said it too. If I was trying to censor Fred, I would not have created a linked page containing his text.
That there was a problem with Fred's text was admitted by Fred himself who called it "unbalanced". I deliberately did not intervene in the debate on the linked page. My only interventions there were in fact to recreate it when The Cunctator decided to remove it and plonk it back on the wrong page. The issue Fred was writing about was about a practical analysis of how how communist governments behaved. That is an issue worthy of in depth discussion, and has been discussed on the linked page, on which Fred and others contributed. As that page would not exist if it was not for me, I can hardly be accused of censoring Fred's opinions. All I did, as other people did, was to point out that Fred was putting his text on the wrong page and put it onto the right one.
Now can we all please move on to other issues, and stop having to respond to blatent mispresentations of what happening and wild, unsubstantiated and demonstrably untrue accusations.
JT
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