Dear Asian:
We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia Asia Project. Any volunteer?
Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing about it. If yes, please disregard my comment.
On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Dear Asian:
We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia Asia Project. Any volunteer?
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
Hi Siska,
Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL, IN, PH, TW). I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia after all is in Asia. xP
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
________________________________ From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing about it. If yes, please disregard my comment.
On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Dear Asian:
We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia Asia Project. Any volunteer?
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
On 7/23/10, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Siska,
Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL, IN, PH, TW). I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia after all is in Asia. xP
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing about it. If yes, please disregard my comment.
On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Dear Asian:
We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia Asia Project. Any volunteer?
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
the purpose of the website: showing the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project the real purpose of the website: showing to the potential sponsor the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project
lol
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
On 7/23/10, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Siska,
Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL, IN, PH, TW). I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia after
all
is in Asia. xP
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The
Assembly
Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing about it. If yes, please disregard my comment.
On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Dear Asian:
We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia Asia Project. Any volunteer?
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
You know what, you guys, seriously if i have a bamboo long enough to hit Hong Kong and Philipines at the same time from Indonesia I will utilize it. In the mean time, until I do, rather than another unmaintain website, why don't one of u ask for a grant to come to Jakarta to receive a non profit/ not for profit management training. Taipei was planning to do this, but Tzu missed it I guess.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
the purpose of the website: showing the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project the real purpose of the website: showing to the potential sponsor the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project
lol
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
On 7/23/10, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Siska,
Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL, IN, PH, TW). I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia after
all
is in Asia. xP
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The
Assembly
Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing about it. If yes, please disregard my comment.
On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Dear Asian:
We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia Asia Project. Any volunteer?
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
Hmmmm .... I think my English is too bad to understand what you are talking about. I don't really get it, about the bamboo and some sort of non-profit training. Can you try to explain it and be straight forward?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 23, 2010, at 14:02, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
You know what, you guys, seriously if i have a bamboo long enough to hit Hong Kong and Philipines at the same time from Indonesia I will utilize it. In the mean time, until I do, rather than another unmaintain website, why don't one of u ask for a grant to come to Jakarta to receive a non profit/ not for profit management training. Taipei was planning to do this, but Tzu missed it I guess.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
the purpose of the website: showing the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project the real purpose of the website: showing to the potential sponsor the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project
lol
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
On 7/23/10, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Siska,
Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL, IN, PH, TW). I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia after
all
is in Asia. xP
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The
Assembly
Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing about it. If yes, please disregard my comment.
On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Dear Asian:
We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia Asia Project. Any volunteer?
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
1. If this mailing list end up as a LoL effort, then i'm happy to inform that I don't have time for it. 2. U mentioned something about sponsors. WMID manage to raise over USD 12 thousand for a 3 months program. If u want to know how: non profit management training. Jakarta. We do it without asian wikimedia website, and we will do it again without.
So what i can do for you sir?
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
- If this mailing list end up as a LoL effort, then i'm happy to
inform that I don't have time for it. 2. U mentioned something about sponsors. WMID manage to raise over USD 12 thousand for a 3 months program. If u want to know how: non profit management training. Jakarta. We do it without asian wikimedia website, and we will do it again without.
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Morgan, I think Siska was saying, effectively, "you have to crawl before you can walk" - whereas you seem intent on running first.
I am personally quite dubious about the "wikimedia asia" concept at this stage in the development of the Wikimedia movement and, if my summary of what Siska was saying is correct, then I have to agree with that. I do like the idea of having continent-wide collaboration project and also for sharing resources and best-practices. I also think things like Wikimania-Asia are interesting concepts for the future. However! As far as I'm aware, none of the Asian chapters (Australia included) have any staff or an office and none have any experience running fundraising campaigns/business deals within their own country - let alone at an international level! If the concept of Wikimedia-Asia is one more about trying to bring more attention of the wider wikimedia community towards Asia (to counteract a perceived bias towards Europe) then the best way to do this is to develop individually and share best practices (and money if you wish) but not to create a *new* organisation when the old one's aren't even ready to handle it.
Just my thoughts, -Liam VP Wikimedia Australia
wittylama.com/blog Peace, love & metadata
2010/7/23 Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk
Hmmmm .... I think my English is too bad to understand what you are talking about. I don't really get it, about the bamboo and some sort of non-profit training. Can you try to explain it and be straight forward?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 23, 2010, at 14:02, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
You know what, you guys, seriously if i have a bamboo long enough to hit Hong Kong and Philipines at the same time from Indonesia I will utilize it. In the mean time, until I do, rather than another unmaintain website, why don't one of u ask for a grant to come to Jakarta to receive a non profit/ not for profit management training. Taipei was planning to do this, but Tzu missed it I guess.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
the purpose of the website: showing the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project the real purpose of the website: showing to the potential sponsor the
latest
news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project
lol
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
On 7/23/10, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Siska,
Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL, IN, PH, TW). I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia
after
all
is in Asia. xP
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The
Assembly
Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing about it. If yes, please disregard my comment.
On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Dear Asian:
We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia Asia Project. Any volunteer?
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Siska believes that instead of a website which is virtually useless, why not have a meeting instead? Actually, a grant for the proposed Wikimedia Asia Conference would do well for this.
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
________________________________ From: Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 3:04:03 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hmmmm .... I think my English is too bad to understand what you are talking about. I don't really get it, about the bamboo and some sort of non-profit training. Can you try to explain it and be straight forward?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 23, 2010, at 14:02, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
You know what, you guys, seriously if i have a bamboo long enough to hit Hong Kong and Philipines at the same time from Indonesia I will utilize it. In the mean time, until I do, rather than another unmaintain website, why don't one of u ask for a grant to come to Jakarta to receive a non profit/ not for profit management training. Taipei was planning to do this, but Tzu missed it I guess.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
the purpose of the website: showing the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project the real purpose of the website: showing to the potential sponsor the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project
lol
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
On 7/23/10, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Siska,
Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL, IN, PH, TW). I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia after
all
is in Asia. xP
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The
Assembly
Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing about it. If yes, please disregard my comment.
On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Dear Asian:
We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia Asia Project. Any volunteer?
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
_______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
I already have a solid plan on it. And the details will come out very soon. Don't worry about it.
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Siska believes that instead of a website which is virtually useless, why not have a meeting instead? Actually, a grant for the proposed Wikimedia Asia Conference would do well for this.
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
*From:* Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk
*To:* Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination < wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org> *Sent:* Fri, July 23, 2010 3:04:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hmmmm .... I think my English is too bad to understand what you are talking about. I don't really get it, about the bamboo and some sort of non-profit training. Can you try to explain it and be straight forward?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 23, 2010, at 14:02, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
You know what, you guys, seriously if i have a bamboo long enough to hit Hong Kong and Philipines at the same time from Indonesia I will utilize it. In the mean time, until I do, rather than another unmaintain website, why don't one of u ask for a grant to come to Jakarta to receive a non profit/ not for profit management training. Taipei was planning to do this, but Tzu missed it I guess.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
the purpose of the website: showing the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project the real purpose of the website: showing to the potential sponsor the
latest
news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project
lol
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
On 7/23/10, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Siska,
Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL, IN, PH, TW). I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia
after
all
is in Asia. xP
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The
Assembly
Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing about it. If yes, please disregard my comment.
On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Dear Asian:
We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia Asia Project. Any volunteer?
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Morgan, I'm going to assign someone else (not me) to deal with ur or everyone else idea about wikimedia asia. He/she will report to me on case by case basis if needed. I will contact Jerry to replace my email address once I found a volunteer who is willing. On a side note, officially we are not going to give other chapter a free consent to use Wikimedia Indonesia name in whatever platform they see fit. Like I said, case by case basis. I will still be in the chapter's list.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
I already have a solid plan on it. And the details will come out very soon. Don't worry about it.
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Siska believes that instead of a website which is virtually useless, why not have a meeting instead? Actually, a grant for the proposed Wikimedia Asia Conference would do well for this.
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
*From:* Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk
*To:* Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination < wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org> *Sent:* Fri, July 23, 2010 3:04:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hmmmm .... I think my English is too bad to understand what you are talking about. I don't really get it, about the bamboo and some sort of non-profit training. Can you try to explain it and be straight forward?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 23, 2010, at 14:02, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
You know what, you guys, seriously if i have a bamboo long enough to hit Hong Kong and Philipines at the same time from Indonesia I will utilize it. In the mean time, until I do, rather than another unmaintain website, why don't one of u ask for a grant to come to Jakarta to receive a non profit/ not for profit management training. Taipei was planning to do this, but Tzu missed it I guess.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
the purpose of the website: showing the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project the real purpose of the website: showing to the potential sponsor the
latest
news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project
lol
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
On 7/23/10, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Siska,
Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL, IN, PH, TW). I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia
after
all
is in Asia. xP
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The
Assembly
Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing about it. If yes, please disregard my comment.
On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote: > Dear Asian: > > We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia > Asia > Project. > Any volunteer? > > -- > Best regards, > Morgan Chan > ---------------------------------------------------- > Morgan Chan > Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong > Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation > E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk > Tel.：+852 9012-2178 > WLM：morgand536@gmail.com > Skype: ups918 > Twitter: morgand536 >
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
I support WMAsia having a website as it allows us to have a window for our ideas. It could be updated as we progress towards our various outlined objectives. Additionally, it will also keep participation alive on the website apart from this maling list which is private.
Yours sincerely,
Anirudh Singh Bhati Student of Law, Gujarat National Law University, Gandhinagar, India.
Handphone: +919328712208 Skype: anirudhsbh
If this email were legal advice, it would be followed by a bill.
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
Morgan, I'm going to assign someone else (not me) to deal with ur or everyone else idea about wikimedia asia. He/she will report to me on case by case basis if needed. I will contact Jerry to replace my email address once I found a volunteer who is willing. On a side note, officially we are not going to give other chapter a free consent to use Wikimedia Indonesia name in whatever platform they see fit. Like I said, case by case basis. I will still be in the chapter's list.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
I already have a solid plan on it. And the details will come out very soon. Don't worry about it.
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com
wrote:
Siska believes that instead of a website which is virtually useless, why not have a meeting instead? Actually, a grant for the proposed
Wikimedia
Asia Conference would do well for this.
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
*From:* Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk
*To:* Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination < wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org> *Sent:* Fri, July 23, 2010 3:04:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hmmmm .... I think my English is too bad to understand what you are talking about.
I
don't really get it, about the bamboo and some sort of non-profit training. Can you try to explain it and be straight forward?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 23, 2010, at 14:02, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id
wrote:
You know what, you guys, seriously if i have a bamboo long enough to hit Hong Kong and Philipines at the same time from Indonesia I will utilize it. In the mean time, until I do, rather than another unmaintain website, why don't one of u ask for a grant to come to Jakarta to receive a non profit/ not for profit management training. Taipei was planning to do this, but Tzu missed it I guess.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
the purpose of the website: showing the latest news and progress
about
Wikimedia Asia Project the real purpose of the website: showing to the potential sponsor the
latest
news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project
lol
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
On 7/23/10, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi Siska, > > Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID,
IL,
> IN, > PH, > TW). I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia
after
all > is > in Asia. xP > > Regards, > > Josh > > JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM > Block I1, AB Political Science > Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University > Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines > > President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines > Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly > Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society > Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura > > jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 > Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor > http://akira123323.livejournal.com > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id > To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination > wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org > Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed! > > Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing > about it. If yes, please disregard my comment. > > On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote: >> Dear Asian: >> >> We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia >> Asia >> Project. >> Any volunteer? >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Morgan Chan >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> Morgan Chan >> Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong >> Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation >> E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk >> Tel.：+852 9012-2178 >> WLM：morgand536@gmail.com >> Skype: ups918 >> Twitter: morgand536 >> > > > -- > Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia > Ph. +62 816 484 5052 > ~~~~ > Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: > http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list > Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
> > > >
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Siska:
Well, actually the list is welcome all the Asian, including external and internal members. So you can be still on the list and keep monitoring the progress. :-p
The only Indonesian I familiar is Revi, we met each other since the chapters meeting this year, and he also attended all the Asian meet up so far. I think he is the guy who know everything about the project.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 23, 2010, at 22:37, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
Morgan, I'm going to assign someone else (not me) to deal with ur or everyone else idea about wikimedia asia. He/she will report to me on case by case basis if needed. I will contact Jerry to replace my email address once I found a volunteer who is willing. On a side note, officially we are not going to give other chapter a free consent to use Wikimedia Indonesia name in whatever platform they see fit. Like I said, case by case basis. I will still be in the chapter's list.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
I already have a solid plan on it. And the details will come out very soon. Don't worry about it.
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Siska believes that instead of a website which is virtually useless, why not have a meeting instead? Actually, a grant for the proposed Wikimedia Asia Conference would do well for this.
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
*From:* Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk
*To:* Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination < wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org> *Sent:* Fri, July 23, 2010 3:04:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hmmmm .... I think my English is too bad to understand what you are talking about. I don't really get it, about the bamboo and some sort of non-profit training. Can you try to explain it and be straight forward?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 23, 2010, at 14:02, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
You know what, you guys, seriously if i have a bamboo long enough to hit Hong Kong and Philipines at the same time from Indonesia I will utilize it. In the mean time, until I do, rather than another unmaintain website, why don't one of u ask for a grant to come to Jakarta to receive a non profit/ not for profit management training. Taipei was planning to do this, but Tzu missed it I guess.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
the purpose of the website: showing the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project the real purpose of the website: showing to the potential sponsor the
latest
news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project
lol
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
On 7/23/10, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi Siska, > > Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL, > IN, > PH, > TW). I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia
after
all > is > in Asia. xP > > Regards, > > Josh > > JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM > Block I1, AB Political Science > Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University > Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines > > President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines > Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly > Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society > Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura > > jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 > Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor > http://akira123323.livejournal.com > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id > To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination > wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org > Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed! > > Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing > about it. If yes, please disregard my comment. > > On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote: >> Dear Asian: >> >> We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia >> Asia >> Project. >> Any volunteer? >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Morgan Chan >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> Morgan Chan >> Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong >> Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation >> E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk >> Tel.：+852 9012-2178 >> WLM：morgand536@gmail.com >> Skype: ups918 >> Twitter: morgand536 >> > > > -- > Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia > Ph. +62 816 484 5052 > ~~~~ > Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: > http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list > Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters > > > >
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Yes, I attented the chapters meeting and the wikimania sessions about it. I'll tell others about the Asian plan if see them later this week or next month.
Cheers
Revi Soekatno
----- Original Message ---- From: Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, 23 July, 2010 22:12:26 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Siska:
Well, actually the list is welcome all the Asian, including external and internal members. So you can be still on the list and keep monitoring the progress. :-p
The only Indonesian I familiar is Revi, we met each other since the chapters meeting this year, and he also attended all the Asian meet up so far. I think he is the guy who know everything about the project.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 23, 2010, at 22:37, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
Morgan, I'm going to assign someone else (not me) to deal with ur or everyone else idea about wikimedia asia. He/she will report to me on case by case basis if needed. I will contact Jerry to replace my email address once I found a volunteer who is willing. On a side note, officially we are not going to give other chapter a free consent to use Wikimedia Indonesia name in whatever platform they see fit. Like I said, case by case basis. I will still be in the chapter's list.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
I already have a solid plan on it. And the details will come out very soon. Don't worry about it.
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Siska believes that instead of a website which is virtually useless, why not have a meeting instead? Actually, a grant for the proposed Wikimedia Asia Conference would do well for this.
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
*From:* Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk
*To:* Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination < wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org> *Sent:* Fri, July 23, 2010 3:04:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hmmmm .... I think my English is too bad to understand what you are talking about. I don't really get it, about the bamboo and some sort of non-profit training. Can you try to explain it and be straight forward?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 23, 2010, at 14:02, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
You know what, you guys, seriously if i have a bamboo long enough to hit Hong Kong and Philipines at the same time from Indonesia I will utilize it. In the mean time, until I do, rather than another unmaintain website, why don't one of u ask for a grant to come to Jakarta to receive a non profit/ not for profit management training. Taipei was planning to do this, but Tzu missed it I guess.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
the purpose of the website: showing the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project the real purpose of the website: showing to the potential sponsor the
latest
news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project
lol
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
On 7/23/10, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi Siska, > > Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL, > IN, > PH, > TW). I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia
after
all > is > in Asia. xP > > Regards, > > Josh > > JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM > Block I1, AB Political Science > Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University > Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines > > President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines > Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly > Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society > Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura > > jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 > Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor > http://akira123323.livejournal.com > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id > To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination > wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org > Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed! > > Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing > about it. If yes, please disregard my comment. > > On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote: >> Dear Asian: >> >> We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia >> Asia >> Project. >> Any volunteer? >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Morgan Chan >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> Morgan Chan >> Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong >> Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation >> E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk >> Tel.：+852 9012-2178 >> WLM：morgand536@gmail.com >> Skype: ups918 >> Twitter: morgand536 >> > > > -- > Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia > Ph. +62 816 484 5052 > ~~~~ > Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: > http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list > Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters > > > >
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
_______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Well Morgan, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Anirudh pointed out that the list is private.
So is it or is it not?
This list is on open application. Some internal and external Asian members are in the list too.
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
Well Morgan, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Anirudh pointed out that the list is private.
So is it or is it not?
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi 2010/7/23 Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk>: > Siska: > > Well, actually the list is welcome all the Asian, including external and internal members. So you can be still on the list and keep monitoring the progress. :-p > > The only Indonesian I familiar is Revi, we met each other since the chapters meeting this year, and he also attended all the Asian meet up so far. I think he is the guy who know everything about the project. > > Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
I think it's "closed mailing list (i.e. only members can post), but anyone can become a member" situation.
Wikimedia Asia - especially for sharing ideas, collaborating and organising regional conferences - is a great idea, as long as it doesn't get too far ahead of itself by adopting bureaucratic trappings or taking away from the ability of the chapters in the region to run their own things. Each chapter has its own community / members to serve and needs to satisfy, and of course they need to become sustainable with a consistent membership and local activities to keep the membership interested.
Berlin was very educational for me:
* Firstly, I was amazed at the range of projects going on in different places and ideas being tried, and we can clearly all learn from each other.
* Secondly, what makes a chapter successful? Germany had a good strategic planning model which you can find a summary of on Meta under the Berlin chapters meeting. The result, ultimately, was hundreds of members, many active projects including some high-level ones (Bundesarchiv and the metadata project), and collaboration with neighbouring countries. It took some years to get there though.
* Shortly after the conference, I was speaking with Siska by email, I learned that in order to engage more people and increase interest in the chapter, activities for members and potential members have to be fun and rewarding. (This answered a big question for me coming out of Berlin.)
kindest regards Andrew (WMAU)
On 25 July 2010 00:57, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
This list is on open application. Some internal and external Asian members are in the list too.
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
Well Morgan, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Anirudh pointed out that the list is private.
So is it or is it not?
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi 2010/7/23 Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk>: > Siska: > > Well, actually the list is welcome all the Asian, including external and internal members. So you can be still on the list and keep monitoring the progress. :-p > > The only Indonesian I familiar is Revi, we met each other since the chapters meeting this year, and he also attended all the Asian meet up so far. I think he is the guy who know everything about the project. > > Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Thanks Andrew, that was a good summary. When we started discussing Wikimedia Asia back in 2007, the idea behind the project was to have a non-intrusive umbrella group where Asian chapters could come together and collaborate without hindering each other in any manner.
It is essential to have a website at this stage to proclaim our existence and getting the attention of potential contributors and sponsors for the project. A few static pages and a blog would go a long way towards that goal.
The Asian project was also intended to be used as a launch-pad for jurisdictions where Wikimedia does not have chapters. Since a large number of countries in Asia are still third-world, they would stand to benefit from the collective experiences and procedural familiarity of the existing chapters.
Most importantly, WMAsia can potentially play an enormous role in furthering our global commitment towards making the total sum of knowledge available to each and every individual on the planet. Continent-wide knowledge activism can be fostered in a number of ways. This can include lobbying with governments to create environments conducive for individual growth; learning from the experiences of Wikimedia chapters across the globe; assimilating with and adapting to the nature of the legal environments in Asia; studying the unique experiences of other activist organizations; and implementing projects based on ideas developed through acquired know-how and expertise.
But, for now, having a website and a blog is not a premature sentiment.
Yours sincerely,
Anirudh Singh Bhati B.Com, LL.B. (Hons.), Gujarat National Law University, Gandhinagar, India.
Handphone: +919328712208 Skype: anirudhsbh
If this email were legal advice, it would be followed by a bill.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Andrew Owens orderinchaos78@gmail.comwrote:
I think it's "closed mailing list (i.e. only members can post), but anyone can become a member" situation.
Wikimedia Asia - especially for sharing ideas, collaborating and organising regional conferences - is a great idea, as long as it doesn't get too far ahead of itself by adopting bureaucratic trappings or taking away from the ability of the chapters in the region to run their own things. Each chapter has its own community / members to serve and needs to satisfy, and of course they need to become sustainable with a consistent membership and local activities to keep the membership interested.
Berlin was very educational for me:
- Firstly, I was amazed at the range of projects going on in different
places and ideas being tried, and we can clearly all learn from each other.
- Secondly, what makes a chapter successful? Germany had a good strategic
planning model which you can find a summary of on Meta under the Berlin chapters meeting. The result, ultimately, was hundreds of members, many active projects including some high-level ones (Bundesarchiv and the metadata project), and collaboration with neighbouring countries. It took some years to get there though.
- Shortly after the conference, I was speaking with Siska by email, I
learned that in order to engage more people and increase interest in the chapter, activities for members and potential members have to be fun and rewarding. (This answered a big question for me coming out of Berlin.)
kindest regards Andrew (WMAU)
On 25 July 2010 00:57, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
This list is on open application. Some internal and external Asian members are in the list too.
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
Well Morgan, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Anirudh pointed out that the list is private.
So is it or is it not?
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi 2010/7/23 Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk>: > Siska: > > Well, actually the list is welcome all the Asian, including external and internal members. So you can be still on the list and keep monitoring the progress. :-p > > The only Indonesian I familiar is Revi, we met each other since the chapters meeting this year, and he also attended all the Asian meet up so far. I think he is the guy who know everything about the project. > > Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Thanks Anirudh, that was another good summary. I think that is also a main difference if you compare WMAsia to the chapters council project that proposed by Richard and Thomas.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 25, 2010, at 16:45, Anirudh Bhati anirudhsbh@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Andrew, that was a good summary. When we started discussing Wikimedia Asia back in 2007, the idea behind the project was to have a non-intrusive umbrella group where Asian chapters could come together and collaborate without hindering each other in any manner.
It is essential to have a website at this stage to proclaim our existence and getting the attention of potential contributors and sponsors for the project. A few static pages and a blog would go a long way towards that goal.
The Asian project was also intended to be used as a launch-pad for jurisdictions where Wikimedia does not have chapters. Since a large number of countries in Asia are still third-world, they would stand to benefit from the collective experiences and procedural familiarity of the existing chapters.
Most importantly, WMAsia can potentially play an enormous role in furthering our global commitment towards making the total sum of knowledge available to each and every individual on the planet. Continent-wide knowledge activism can be fostered in a number of ways. This can include lobbying with governments to create environments conducive for individual growth; learning from the experiences of Wikimedia chapters across the globe; assimilating with and adapting to the nature of the legal environments in Asia; studying the unique experiences of other activist organizations; and implementing projects based on ideas developed through acquired know-how and expertise.
But, for now, having a website and a blog is not a premature sentiment.
Yours sincerely,
Anirudh Singh Bhati B.Com, LL.B. (Hons.), Gujarat National Law University, Gandhinagar, India.
Handphone: +919328712208 Skype: anirudhsbh
If this email were legal advice, it would be followed by a bill.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Andrew Owens orderinchaos78@gmail.com wrote: I think it's "closed mailing list (i.e. only members can post), but anyone can become a member" situation.
Wikimedia Asia - especially for sharing ideas, collaborating and organising regional conferences - is a great idea, as long as it doesn't get too far ahead of itself by adopting bureaucratic trappings or taking away from the ability of the chapters in the region to run their own things. Each chapter has its own community / members to serve and needs to satisfy, and of course they need to become sustainable with a consistent membership and local activities to keep the membership interested.
Berlin was very educational for me:
Firstly, I was amazed at the range of projects going on in different places and ideas being tried, and we can clearly all learn from each other.
Secondly, what makes a chapter successful? Germany had a good strategic planning model which you can find a summary of on Meta under the Berlin chapters meeting. The result, ultimately, was hundreds of members, many active projects including some high-level ones (Bundesarchiv and the metadata project), and collaboration with neighbouring countries. It took some years to get there though.
Shortly after the conference, I was speaking with Siska by email, I learned that in order to engage more people and increase interest in the chapter, activities for members and potential members have to be fun and rewarding. (This answered a big question for me coming out of Berlin.)
kindest regards Andrew (WMAU)
On 25 July 2010 00:57, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote: This list is on open application. Some internal and external Asian members are in the list too.
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote: Well Morgan, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Anirudh pointed out that the list is private.
So is it or is it not?
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi 2010/7/23 Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk>: > Siska: > > Well, actually the list is welcome all the Asian, including external and internal members. So you can be still on the list and keep monitoring the progress. :-p > > The only Indonesian I familiar is Revi, we met each other since the chapters meeting this year, and he also attended all the Asian meet up so far. I think he is the guy who know everything about the project. > > Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters -- Best regards, Morgan Chan ---------------------------------------------------- Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Yes, Tzu-Chiang tend to do that, but he ended up been a graduate student in UK.
I agree we need some training on non-profit management, since not many of us have this kind of experiences.
Best Regards, Ted Chien Secretary Wikimedia Taiwan
-- Think different, do smarter, work for joy!
在 2010/7/23 下午2:02 時， Siska Doviana 寫到：
You know what, you guys, seriously if i have a bamboo long enough to hit Hong Kong and Philipines at the same time from Indonesia I will utilize it. In the mean time, until I do, rather than another unmaintain website, why don't one of u ask for a grant to come to Jakarta to receive a non profit/ not for profit management training. Taipei was planning to do this, but Tzu missed it I guess.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
the purpose of the website: showing the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project the real purpose of the website: showing to the potential sponsor the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project
lol
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
On 7/23/10, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Siska,
Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL, IN, PH, TW). I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia after
all
is in Asia. xP
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The
Assembly
Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing about it. If yes, please disregard my comment.
On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Dear Asian:
We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia Asia Project. Any volunteer?
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Liam, what are u doing here? I thought this mailing list for Asia. Australian have 'u,t,r,l' that alphabetically prevent anyone to join. Ted. Tzu was right, but the discussion with Tzu and Theo at the time was not training, but more as meeting, since Taiwanese excell Indonesian in term of coordinating volunteer and coordination in general. The purpose was to swap secret recipee and some sword dead match for fundrising: kung fu vs pencak silat. Morgan, I'm gonna tell u something that u don't want to hear, but i believe a slap in the face is better in the long run than a patt in the back did for short term. Kartika emailed me re: wikimedia asia meeting in Gdansk, and I quote: 'it seem to me that they don't really know what they are doing...'
On 7/23/10, Ted Chien hsiangtai.chien@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, Tzu-Chiang tend to do that, but he ended up been a graduate student in UK.
I agree we need some training on non-profit management, since not many of us have this kind of experiences.
Best Regards, Ted Chien Secretary Wikimedia Taiwan
-- Think different, do smarter, work for joy!
在 2010/7/23 下午2:02 時， Siska Doviana 寫到：
You know what, you guys, seriously if i have a bamboo long enough to hit Hong Kong and Philipines at the same time from Indonesia I will utilize it. In the mean time, until I do, rather than another unmaintain website, why don't one of u ask for a grant to come to Jakarta to receive a non profit/ not for profit management training. Taipei was planning to do this, but Tzu missed it I guess.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
the purpose of the website: showing the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project the real purpose of the website: showing to the potential sponsor the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project
lol
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
On 7/23/10, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Siska,
Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL, IN, PH, TW). I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia after
all
is in Asia. xP
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The
Assembly
Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing about it. If yes, please disregard my comment.
On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Dear Asian:
We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia Asia Project. Any volunteer?
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
(My computer closed on me, so yeah, I'm rewriting this e-mail).
I'm digressing here from the idea of a Wikimedia Asia conference, but allow me to take the idea a little bit further
Like everyone here, I'd agree that for the most part, we are not yet as prepared as we'd want to for such a big undertaking. Especially given that our individual chapters are only between 0-2 years old, we do need to put a lot of thought into whether or not we consent to making the project a reality. However, as far as I've interpreted what Morgan said during the chapters meeting, WMAsia is not a new organization, but is rather a platform for cooperation between the existing chapters.
I do agree though with Siska and Liam that we need to crawl before we need to walk. A mini-chapters conference among the Asian chapters would actually go a very long way towards professionalizing our chapters, with or without staff, and where we can share best practices among one another. Like the fundraising conference held in Bristol last may, we can all use lessons in how to shore up our finances. In short, we have lots of lessons which we need to learn, and these are pressing issues far more important to our individual chapters.
Maybe we need to take baby steps at this time, before moving onto bigger things.
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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________________________________ From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 4:46:08 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Liam, what are u doing here? I thought this mailing list for Asia. Australian have 'u,t,r,l' that alphabetically prevent anyone to join. Ted. Tzu was right, but the discussion with Tzu and Theo at the time was not training, but more as meeting, since Taiwanese excell Indonesian in term of coordinating volunteer and coordination in general. The purpose was to swap secret recipee and some sword dead match for fundrising: kung fu vs pencak silat. Morgan, I'm gonna tell u something that u don't want to hear, but i believe a slap in the face is better in the long run than a patt in the back did for short term. Kartika emailed me re: wikimedia asia meeting in Gdansk, and I quote: 'it seem to me that they don't really know what they are doing...'
On 7/23/10, Ted Chien hsiangtai.chien@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, Tzu-Chiang tend to do that, but he ended up been a graduate student in UK.
I agree we need some training on non-profit management, since not many of us have this kind of experiences.
Best Regards, Ted Chien Secretary Wikimedia Taiwan
-- Think different, do smarter, work for joy!
在 2010/7/23 下午2:02 時， Siska Doviana 寫到：
You know what, you guys, seriously if i have a bamboo long enough to hit Hong Kong and Philipines at the same time from Indonesia I will utilize it. In the mean time, until I do, rather than another unmaintain website, why don't one of u ask for a grant to come to Jakarta to receive a non profit/ not for profit management training. Taipei was planning to do this, but Tzu missed it I guess.
On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
the purpose of the website: showing the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project the real purpose of the website: showing to the potential sponsor the latest news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project
lol
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
On 7/23/10, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Siska,
Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL, IN, PH, TW). I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia after
all
is in Asia. xP
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The
Assembly
Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing about it. If yes, please disregard my comment.
On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk wrote:
Dear Asian:
We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia Asia Project. Any volunteer?
-- Best regards, Morgan Chan
Morgan Chan Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk Tel.：+852 9012-2178 WLM：morgand536@gmail.com Skype: ups918 Twitter: morgand536
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
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