I really care about the Wikimania 2012 bid for Philippines.
I hope it can really make it anyway. So if your plan is ready, please put it
on the mailing list, then we can discuss about it.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Josh Lim <jamesjoshualim(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
I informed Revi during both the chapters' meeting and Wikimania that WMPH
would like to work with you guys to get a similar project done here in the
Philippines. During our first quarterly meeting, the general membership
decided that a Wikipedia article-writing contest would be one of our
priority projects in the short-to-medium term (between now and 2013, when
WMPH Board seats become open for elections), and that the Free Your
Knowledge project is a good model for us to base it on. As I've received
complaints that growth on the Philippine-language Wikipedias is not short of
being called "anemic", we're hoping this project could jumpstart that type
of growth which we hope to see on our local projects, particularly on the
While we have no firm timetable as to when the project will be launched
(we're currently prioritizing participation in two conferences, plus our
grand launch coinciding with Wikipedia Day, plus a potential Wikimania 2012
bid), we hope to be able to work with WMID to ensure that whatever success
was obtained from the Free Your Knowledge project will likewise be seen
here. I'll inform the Board about this potential tie-up in the next few
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM
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Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University
Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines
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*From:* Siska Doviana <siska.doviana(a)wikimedia.or.id>
*To:* Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination <
*Sent:* Sat, July 24, 2010 10:41:10 PM
*Subject:* [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Free Your Knowledge Project 2010
It seems like I can't appointed anyone until December, so you guys
stuck with me.
I remember one email reminding people new to the list, what this list
is, so I think it is only fair to give a heads up to people who are
new to me :-)
I have receive more than one reminder off list to be polite and my
answer to that is, I think, the whole Asian continent is polite, if
you found one female who is not polite in this list, I don't think it
will kill anyone.
I want to be critical, and as a matter of fact, if there are people
who don't like my attitude, I will feed them vegetables so they live
healthy and long because if people don't like you they will give you
honest feed back - and I'm looking forward to that. So we could fix
wrong move as soon as after it was made.
I will feed my ego for complimentary someplace else - preferably with
Now, back to the subject
For those of you who weren't familiar with the subject: WMID launched
a wikipedia writing competition for 10 universities and train 90
participants to write in Wikipedia.
Although the project report has not finished yet, I will share with
you behind the screen result that won't make it to report, since, like
a lot of Asian, my English is not very good when it come to telling
things that people won't like.
1. Will people write wikipedia if they get paid?
I paid three intern to write in wikipedia in their training month to
get familiar with how it works. None of them know how wikipedia works.
They received USD 165/ month which is a lot for university students
without the need to actually to be in the office. Over one month they
manage to have 6 articles, 3 complete one, and 3 stubs, only one
didn't get tag improvement by the community.
So I conclude that I won't even try to pay people to write to
wikipedia. I did that, it sucked.
So the answer to that: probably, but you won't have a good quality
article by forcing people to write, they will only do so to meet
quantity target, but not quality.
2. Will people write wikipedia if they are offered "other" incentive?
Yes. In this case, students, who, in natural setting won't have
anything to do with wikipedia, when introduce to the project, they
specially react to recognition, love the challenge - the competitive
environment and its limit - die trying conquering it, and all in all -
they LOVE to travel to Europe. In short, trip incentive work
3. Did they return to wikipedia to socialize?
Before I answer that, the competition at first was launch because I
thought people don't contribute to wikipedia because they don't know
how, they are not bold enough to try, etc-etc. So it is interesting
when, they already know how, and becoming very good at it PLUS I
receive email messages from participants who pledge going to help the
"free knowledge effort" no matter what.
87 participants and 72 days later.
None of them return.
Well, there is one, but I remember I asked him, have you write
wikipedia before the competition? And he nods, I believe it was only a
change of user name for him.
So what went wrong? Funny enough, I don't even have to ask...
One participant wrote to me aftermath.
"From the information I gather, I think there's a lot of crazy people
in wikipedia, I probably would come back to write because I love
writing. But I definitely won't join the conversation."
I replied and said "interesting!" (not surprising though). Maybe if
the writer could gather less-crazy people, then probably the writer
would like to reconsider not joining the conversation, and add: let's
figure out a way to do that.
So that's outside opinion for internal community. What did the
community think about bringing in more people in?
Surprisingly, they are equally resistant! Well, I only ask one person,
not exactly a representative population (for 30 v.active user). Not
mentioning name here.
"Interesting result, I would like to try 1,000 spot competition next,
already have human resources to handle it."
"Having more new people could change the game."
"Rule of play"
And I go, OMG, they like their power. They like the idea keep going
abroad and become knowledgeable representative. More people mean more
competition. More people mean less power, and perhaps less respect?
from an already established community. I actually never thought of
that. Or maybe I'm asking the wrong person? Not really sure.
So there you go, just a random rant. Maybe didn't mean anything, but I
think it is worth sharing.
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