(My computer closed on me, so yeah, I'm rewriting this e-mail).

I'm digressing here from the idea of a Wikimedia Asia conference, but allow me to take the idea a little bit further

Like everyone here, I'd agree that for the most part, we are not yet as prepared as we'd want to for such a big undertaking.  Especially given that our individual chapters are only between 0-2 years old, we do need to put a lot of thought into whether or not we consent to making the project a reality.  However, as far as I've interpreted what Morgan said during the chapters meeting, WMAsia is not a new organization, but is rather a platform for cooperation between the existing chapters.

I do agree though with Siska and Liam that we need to crawl before we need to walk.  A mini-chapters conference among the Asian chapters would actually go a very long way towards professionalizing our chapters, with or without staff, and where we can share best practices among one another.  Like the fundraising conference held in Bristol last may, we can all use lessons in how to shore up our finances.  In short, we have lots of lessons which we need to learn, and these are pressing issues far more important to our individual chapters.

Maybe we need to take baby steps at this time, before moving onto bigger things.

Regards,

Josh
 
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM
Block I1, AB Political Science
Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University
Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines

President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines
Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly
Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society
Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura

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From: Siska Doviana <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id>
To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination <wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 4:46:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!

Liam, what are u doing here? I thought this mailing list for Asia.
Australian have 'u,t,r,l' that alphabetically prevent anyone to join.
Ted. Tzu was right, but the discussion with Tzu and Theo at the time
was not training, but more as meeting, since Taiwanese excell
Indonesian in term of coordinating volunteer and coordination in
general. The purpose was to swap secret recipee and some sword dead
match for fundrising: kung fu vs pencak silat.
Morgan, I'm gonna tell u something that u don't want to hear, but i
believe a slap in the face is better in the long run than a patt in
the back did for short term. Kartika emailed me re: wikimedia asia
meeting in Gdansk, and I quote: 'it seem to me that they don't really
know what they  are doing...'

On 7/23/10, Ted Chien <hsiangtai.chien@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, Tzu-Chiang tend to do that, but he ended up been a graduate student in
> UK.
>
> I agree we need some training on non-profit management, since not many of us
> have this kind of experiences.
>
> Best Regards,
> Ted Chien
> Secretary
> Wikimedia Taiwan
>
> -- Think different, do smarter, work for joy!
>
> 在 2010/7/23 下午2:02 時, Siska Doviana 寫到:
>
>> You know what, you guys, seriously if i have a bamboo long enough to
>> hit Hong Kong and Philipines at the same time from Indonesia I will
>> utilize it. In the mean time, until I do, rather than another
>> unmaintain website, why don't one of u ask for a grant to come to
>> Jakarta to receive a non profit/ not for profit management training.
>> Taipei was planning to do this, but Tzu missed it I guess.
>>
>> On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk> wrote:
>>> the purpose of the website: showing the latest news and progress about
>>> Wikimedia Asia Project
>>> the real purpose of the website: showing to the potential sponsor the
>>> latest
>>> news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Siska Doviana <
>>> siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
>>>>
>>>> On 7/23/10, Josh Lim <jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Siska,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL,
>>>>> IN,
>>>>> PH,
>>>>> TW).  I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia
>>>>> after
>>>> all
>>>>> is
>>>>> in Asia. xP
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh
>>>>>
>>>>> JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM
>>>>> Block I1, AB Political Science
>>>>> Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University
>>>>> Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
>>>>>
>>>>> President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines
>>>>> Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The
>>>> Assembly
>>>>> Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society
>>>>> Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
>>>>>
>>>>> jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508
>>>>> Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor
>>>>> http://akira123323.livejournal.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Siska Doviana <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id>
>>>>> To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination
>>>>> <wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>> Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing
>>>>> about it. If yes, please disregard my comment.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Asian:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia Asia
>>>>>> Project.
>>>>>> Any volunteer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Morgan Chan
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Morgan Chan
>>>>>> Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong
>>>>>> Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation
>>>>>> E-mail:morgand536@wikimedia.hk
>>>>>> Tel.:+852 9012-2178
>>>>>> WLM:morgand536@gmail.com
>>>>>> Skype: ups918
>>>>>> Twitter: morgand536
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia
>>>>> Ph. +62 816 484 5052
>>>>> ~~~~
>>>>> Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan:
>>>>> http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia
>>>> Ph. +62 816 484 5052
>>>> ~~~~
>>>> Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan:
>>>> http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Morgan Chan
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Morgan Chan
>>> Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong
>>> Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation
>>> E-mail:morgand536@wikimedia.hk
>>> Tel.:+852 9012-2178
>>> WLM:morgand536@gmail.com
>>> Skype: ups918
>>> Twitter: morgand536
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia
>> Ph. +62 816 484 5052
>> ~~~~
>> Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan:
>> http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi
>>
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Ph. +62 816 484 5052
~~~~
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