Morgan,
I think Siska was saying, effectively, "you have to crawl before you can walk" - whereas you seem intent on running first.

I am personally quite dubious about the "wikimedia asia" concept at this stage in the development of the Wikimedia movement and, if my summary of what Siska was saying is correct, then I have to agree with that. I do like the idea of having continent-wide collaboration project and also for sharing resources and best-practices. I also think things like Wikimania-Asia are interesting concepts for the future. However! As far as I'm aware, none of the Asian chapters (Australia included) have any staff or an office and none have any experience running fundraising campaigns/business deals within their own country - let alone at an international level! If the concept of Wikimedia-Asia is one more about trying to bring more attention of the wider wikimedia community towards Asia (to counteract a perceived bias towards Europe) then the best way to do this is to develop individually and share best practices (and money if you wish) but not to create a *new* organisation when the old one's aren't even ready to handle it.

Just my thoughts,
-Liam
VP Wikimedia Australia

wittylama.com/blog
Peace, love & metadata


2010/7/23 Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk>
Hmmmm ....
I think my English is too bad to understand what you are talking about. I don't really get it, about the bamboo and some sort of non-profit training.
Can you try to explain it and be straight forward?

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On Jul 23, 2010, at 14:02, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:

> You know what, you guys, seriously if i have a bamboo long enough to
> hit Hong Kong and Philipines at the same time from Indonesia I will
> utilize it. In the mean time, until I do, rather than another
> unmaintain website, why don't one of u ask for a grant to come to
> Jakarta to receive a non profit/ not for profit management training.
> Taipei was planning to do this, but Tzu missed it I guess.
>
> On 7/23/10, Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk> wrote:
>> the purpose of the website: showing the latest news and progress about
>> Wikimedia Asia Project
>> the real purpose of the website: showing to the potential sponsor the latest
>> news and progress about Wikimedia Asia Project
>>
>> lol
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Siska Doviana <
>> siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
>>
>>> And the purpose of another website to maintain is for...?
>>>
>>> On 7/23/10, Josh Lim <jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Siska,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Wikimedia Asia includes all existing Asian chapters (HK, ID, IL,
>>>> IN,
>>>> PH,
>>>> TW).  I don't see the point of excluding Indonesia since Indonesia after
>>> all
>>>> is
>>>> in Asia. xP
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>> JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM
>>>> Block I1, AB Political Science
>>>> Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University
>>>> Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
>>>>
>>>> President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines
>>>> Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The
>>> Assembly
>>>> Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society
>>>> Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
>>>>
>>>> jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508
>>>> Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor
>>>> http://akira123323.livejournal.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Siska Doviana <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id>
>>>> To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination
>>>> <wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>> Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 1:11:22 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Web designer Needed!
>>>>
>>>> Hi Morgan, is this Asian excluding Indonesia? Since I know nothing
>>>> about it. If yes, please disregard my comment.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/22/10, Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk> wrote:
>>>>> Dear Asian:
>>>>>
>>>>> We need web designers to design and run the website of Wikimedia Asia
>>>>> Project.
>>>>> Any volunteer?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Morgan Chan
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Morgan Chan
>>>>> Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong
>>>>> Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation
>>>>> E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk
>>>>> Tel.：+852 9012-2178
>>>>> WLM：morgand536@gmail.com
>>>>> Skype: ups918
>>>>> Twitter: morgand536
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia
>>>> Ph. +62 816 484 5052
>>>> ~~~~
>>>> Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan:
>>>> http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia
>>> Ph. +62 816 484 5052
>>> ~~~~
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Morgan Chan
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Morgan Chan
>> Director and Commissioner of Communications, Wikimedia Hong Kong
>> Member of Communications committee, Wikimedia Foundation
>> E-mail：morgand536@wikimedia.hk
>> Tel.：+852 9012-2178
>> WLM：morgand536@gmail.com
>> Skype: ups918
>> Twitter: morgand536
>>
>
>
> --
> Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia
> Ph. +62 816 484 5052
> ~~~~
> Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan:
> http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi
>
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