Hi all
As I am not on any chapter board,
so I may seems stupid to ask this (but actually I dun really had that info)
as I didn't see any candidate from Asia this time (again)
so wondering any Asian Chapter made up their mind to support any candidate
yet?
(or should not express anything here actually?)
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Congrats to the Hong Kong team.
If there is anything other local chapters can do to help you with this
final phase, please let us know. Good luck!
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From: Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
Date: Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:34 AM
Subject: [Wikimania-l] Announcement two finalists for Wikimania 2013
To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)"
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Dear all,
it is my pleasure to announce that the jury has been able to come up
with an intermediate result - and I would like to share with you the
fact that two finalist bids have been selected. All bids have been
examined and discussed at three public IRC meetings and several
private conversations, and we have come to the conclusion that we will
now focus our attention on the two bids with in our opinion the
highest potential: Hong Kong and London (in alphabetical order).
We were blessed this year with a strong field of bids, and I would
like to extend our sincere thanks to the bidding teams of Bristol,
Naples and Surakarta for their extensive and well worked out bids -
but also the effort they put into answering our extensive enquiries. I
think all three bids had very good qualities and their strong points
and with work could make a wonderful and very competing bid in a
future year.
This decision has been made based on the primary evaluation of the bid
quality, with a special focus to suitability of the Venue,
Accommodation and the reliability and viability of the local team (did
we have the feeling they were up for the task). We will not be sharing
an extensive reasoning at this point for each bid - but I think we can
give feedback after the final decision about the winning bid has been
made, in private communication.
So what is next? The two candidates will be reviewed more extensively,
we will assess the risks and whether they will actually be able to
live up to the promises more thoroughly. We may be needing a few days
extra compared to the original timeline, but hopefully not too much.
With kind regards, for the Wikimania 2013 jury,
Lodewijk Gelauff
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Hm. I wonder if Liam would make for a more viable candidate from Australia. He's on the Wikimedia Philippines shortlist as well, and he may be more familiar to people on this list than Craig is.
Josh
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From: "Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan" <yuyu(a)wikimedia.hk>
To: "Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination" <wikimedia-asia-chapters(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Chapter selected board seat
Date: Sat, Apr 14, 2012 8:40 am
Hi JohnI have notice all your good work on the issues
I think that's your joint work, and would be good for me, as I am rather in a position supporting regional development
But I think the consideration of the Hong Kong board is rather local
how their voice will be heard in the new board is most important consideration
I am not sure about WMHK board had already ruled out Criag
(I repeat, I cannot speak for the board, and just reflecting their opinion in acceptable way)
but the problem is if the one who can ask the HK board to support Criag is only himself (as I estimates)
As I understands HK board is feeling ignored and being heavily persuade by the Indonesians to support somebody sounds unreachable to them.
That's why they tend to turn to sb tend to more europeans, becoz at least they know them talk with them
If Criag dun like to show up on this list, I think the only way is probably he could write a letter to all Asian Boards toshow his firm support on Asian developments
otherwise I can only see no chance we can reach anything but Europeans
btw Patricio is never on the list of support from HK board as I know
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 12:39 PM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jerry,
I have been on this list for years. It's been pretty quiet here.
Craig hasnt joined this list now because he does not want to be part
of discussions about himself and other candidates.
I can only speak about what the Wikimedia Australia board has been
doing with Asia over the last few years. Before 2010, we had no money
and no capacity.
After Fundraiser 2010, we had money. The board, including Craig,
agrees we have to use it to build local and regional engagement. We
struggled in the first year because one board member wanted all money
to go to Australia only, because our Statement of Purpose says
Australia only.
http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Statement_of_Purpose
The rest of us argue that Australia is only a core activity, but our
scope is broader.
For Berlin 2010, Wikimedia Australia funded two international
attendees, however WMDE refused to let us fund them directly. They
wanted all money to go to Berlin, and they would book flights. We
wanted to ensure these international attendees were from an Asian
chapter, but we were not allowed to publish a resolution to say this.
So we sent money to Berlin. ;-(
For RecentChangesCamp 2011, WMAU provided travel sponsorship for
Chriswaterguy, Wikipedian & co-founder of Appropedia, to come from
Singapore to Australia. Chris has since become a member of WMAU, and
is now a moderator on this list. We selected him to be the
'Australian' moderator because he spends most of his time in Asian, so
he has language and cultural experience the rest of us Australians do
not have.
WMAU brought Siska to the Meta 2011 conference. Siska also came over
for two Wiki meetups last November.
For RecentChangesCamp 2012, WMAU provided travel sponsorship for
Crisco 1492, to come from Indonesia, and user:Sonia to come from New
Zealand. WMAU is very keen to help a NZ chapter start. We were
considering a sponsorship for Taweetham (WM Thailand) but then we find
out he is already here in Australia for other reasons.
https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=University_of_Canberra/RCC2012…
We wanted to sponsor applicants Arvin Ello or Tanvir Rahman, however
they were waiting for WMF grant first, but they were rejected, so by
the time we looked to sponsor them, their visas wouldnt be approved in
time .
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Arvin_Ello/RecentChangesCamp2012https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Wikitanvir/RecentChangesCamp_2012
So we sponsored Danny B.
At our AGM in October 2011, the WMAU members, including Craig,
approved a conference in Indonesia.
http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:2012_Languages_conference
That program could not proceed as written due to the fundraiser
changes, but it is only on hold.
Before 2010 we were a local organisation, struggling with no money.
Since 2010 Craig has been the treasurer approving money for networking
with our Asian neighbours. We are only starting to reach out, and
building capacity (lots of hard work ;-( ) and we've focused on our
immediate neighbours, which is practical.
However if you have been to Australia you will surely know that
Australia is as much Asian culture as it is European.
We want to see more conferences, especially in SE Asia. We hope Asia
wins the Wikimania bid, so we can send lots of people to it.
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan
<yuyu(a)wikimedia.hk> wrote:
> Well I think Criag owe you a big cup of tea or coffee, Kartika
>
> But talking about reachability, may be I am a bit ahead to get involved of
> rest of you
> I dun think the board is unreachable, or course I dun think they will speak
> for us all the time
>
> but compare between Alice/Patricio & Criag
> the Australian seems more unreachable to me, so why I suggested the others
> when the HK board member had consulted my views
> and eventually they have picked somebody else at this stage.
>
> I think the awkward thing is you guys from Indonesian & Australian chapter
> saying that your nominees care about us and reachable
> but the rest of us (at least HK) did feel that at all
> where atre they at first place?
> did they really try to talk to us?
> THEY ARE NOT EVEN ON THIS LIST!
> or send us a single e-mail call for support
>
> so are we frankly begging them represent us?
> as they are not even put support us on their agenda!
>
> so I dun think group decision will work AT ALL at this moment
> unless the candidates (who WMID nominates) willing to change their
> patronizing attitudes (sorry, that's my real impression, sorry if this
> offend anyone)
>
> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Kartika Sari Henry
> <kartika.sari.henry(a)wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>>> I'm still inclined to do this regionally, even if we only agree on one
>>> candidate, for example. If we want to even think of ourselves as being a
>>> viable grouping of Asian chapters, we need to go beyond this national mode
>>> of thinking and start looking at things from a broader perspective.
>>
>>
>> Based on the Asian Chapters views, I guessed Alice or Patricio are not our
>> preferences. I doubt that neither of them is interested in what happened
>> internationally or particularly in Asia. We refuse to support them since
>> they main interest might be only for Europe/Latin America. Moreover, we
>> already have European on the Board, and looks like they are going to agree
>> on each other despite of who to support them before (namely Asian). The
>> chapters list discussion clearly indicates the supporter want to stop the
>> discussing process because they will win a landslide vote.
>>
>> If WMID could vote on one name, we will go for Craig. At least we have a
>> closer Board of Trustees around for smaller Asian Chapters. We are happy to
>> keep reminding him how he got the position and what he promised. Only random
>> thought, but having Australian/Asian as a representative will be
>> advantageous since it's easier for he/she to help Asian potential and meet
>> them face to face. Or, Asian (or potential) chapters representative could
>> come to Australia instead for face to face meeting. That's more visible for
>> us rather than sending someone to Europe or America. Personally, I feel that
>> our current European/American boards are 'unreachable', we need a more
>> reliable and closer board.
>>
>> We could argue about this, but I don't think it's even worth our time. We
>> know in fact that some non-Asian, non-Australian Chapters are willing to
>> support Craig. It's likely Craig will secure a seat in Board of Trustees if
>> we agree to support him.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kartika
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:34 PM, jamesjoshualim(a)yahoo.com
>> <jamesjoshualim(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm still inclined to do this regionally, even if we only agree on one
>>> candidate, for example. If we want to even think of ourselves as being a
>>> viable grouping of Asian chapters, we need to go beyond this national mode
>>> of thinking and start looking at things from a broader perspective.
>>>
>>> As it is, even people in the region think the idea of Wikimedia Asia is
>>> but that: an idea. We should at least try to prove them wrong.
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>> Sent from my HTC
>>>
>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>> From: "Deryck Chan" <deryckchan(a)wikimedia.hk>
>>> To: "Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination"
>>> <wikimedia-asia-chapters(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>>> Subject: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Chapter selected board seat
>>> Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:26 pm
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 April 2012 23:01, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana(a)wikimedia.or.id>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Deryck Chan <deryckchan(a)wikimedia.hk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > The main difference between us and Iberocoop is that culturally we're
>>>> > a much
>>>> > more diverse bunch then them, therefore within the Wikimedia sphere
>>>> > our
>>>> > interests are less aligned with each other than they.
>>>>
>>>> I completely agree, that's why I suggested to go as individual
>>>> chapters as another option.
>>>>
>>>> > With neither Craig nor Theo putting representing and developing Asian
>>>> > Wikimedian communities as their main agendum (correct me if I'm
>>>> > wrong),
>>>> > coordinated voting between Asian chapters is probably not in the best
>>>> > interests of individual chapters among us.
>>>>
>>>> But then again what the point of having this list if we keep
>>>> separating each other? For fun? * it might work too IMHO *
>>>
>>>
>>> We all know that - to help us talk to each other, and investigate the
>>> possibility of cooperating. If we decide to join up, great. But even if we
>>> decide to go separate ways, it's good that we've talked to each other and
>>> have come to that conclusion.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So? One (HK) say we have to go individually for the chapter's best
>>>> interest, another (India) said we should do this regionally, how about
>>>> others?
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>> Wikimedia Indonesia
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>>
>>
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>
>
>
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> Advisor, Wikimedia Hong Kong
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I'm still inclined to do this regionally, even if we only agree on one candidate, for example. If we want to even think of ourselves as being a viable grouping of Asian chapters, we need to go beyond this national mode of thinking and start looking at things from a broader perspective.
As it is, even people in the region think the idea of Wikimedia Asia is but that: an idea. We should at least try to prove them wrong.
Josh
Sent from my HTC
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From: "Deryck Chan" <deryckchan(a)wikimedia.hk>
To: "Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination" <wikimedia-asia-chapters(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Chapter selected board seat
Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:26 pm
On 8 April 2012 23:01, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana(a)wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Deryck Chan <deryckchan(a)wikimedia.hk> wrote:
> The main difference between us and Iberocoop is that culturally we're a much
> more diverse bunch then them, therefore within the Wikimedia sphere our
> interests are less aligned with each other than they.
I completely agree, that's why I suggested to go as individual
chapters as another option.
> With neither Craig nor Theo putting representing and developing Asian
> Wikimedian communities as their main agendum (correct me if I'm wrong),
> coordinated voting between Asian chapters is probably not in the best
> interests of individual chapters among us.
But then again what the point of having this list if we keep
separating each other? For fun? * it might work too IMHO *
We all know that - to help us talk to each other, and investigate the possibility of cooperating. If we decide to join up, great. But even if we decide to go separate ways, it's good that we've talked to each other and have come to that conclusion.
So? One (HK) say we have to go individually for the chapter's best
interest, another (India) said we should do this regionally, how about
others?
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Wikimedia Indonesia
Cell. +62 816 484 5052
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Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan:
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Hi Craig,
The Asian chapters are concerned about how their voice will be heard
in the new board. Many feel they have been ignored, and would like
board candidates to show support for development in Asia. While some
have met you, most have not, so they have nothing with which to
believe you can be a voice for Asia rather than only Australia,
They are already aware of our chapters programs in building ties with
our fellow chapters in Asia, and your involvement and support of this,
but they seek more detailed information about what you would aim to
achieve for Asia if appointed to the board.
Would you please write a letter to the Asian chapter boards indicating
your position on this issue, and other aspects you feel would be
relevant to garner their support. Either send direct to their boards,
address it to all using this private list, or publish it and send a
link to this list.
Regards,
John Vandenberg
(on a bus near Harvey Bay, Queensland :)
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Temat: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Berlin Conference
Data: niedz., kwi 8, 2012 20:21
Well, I understand that each chapters have their own preferences. Though the WLM was an initiative by some of our key officers, we dont shoot the idea down. Each of us in the Philippines always welcome good ideas as long as its well planned and its beneficial. We always disregard where it came from. Your projects are good too, all it takes is just understanding of it. We face challenge in getting active volunteers and for the first time go on nationwide projects and your chapter story is interesting to note.
It has been nice to know our ASEAN sisters in the conference. Though we have differences, we have common interests and this interaction we are doing today (though some may consider not good conversation) is still good because were are now talking more than before.
So this brings me to a conclusion that I will make a visit to Indonesia part of my medium-term wish list.
:)
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On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:47 AM, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana(a)wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Butch Bustria <butch(a)wikimedia.org.ph> wrote:
> Though personally, I can rate our chapter as your little brother chapter and your chapter is our big sister and the 2011-2012 chapters are toddlers
I would suggest that people stop rating :D
FYI in 2007 when we haven't become a chapter yet or I'm not even sure
I like to pursue one, *I* came to Taipei to learn about Wikimedia
Taiwan via Wikimania and hope that they will take a role as our
guidance, where we can learn from them.
*to be honest I am still hoping now*
>We hope that we can do little steps like communicating bi-chapters like my own initiative to fly to Hong Kong and have web conferences.
*grin*
We're not flying anyone until we understand what the need are and
whether it suit to the training that we provided. Too expensive.
Without a clear RoI (return of investment) it jeopardizing the
*future* grant request even WMID track record. We *of course* will
avoid that at all cost.
> I also hope that financial constraints and limited person time wont be a hindrance to our relations
Apsara only take off if we receive the grant. Which we haven't even
asked for yet. Therefore it eliminates financial constraint, the grant
will bore the expenses. However the grant will not bore the limited
person time, since we realize it exist. If you have limited time, and
will not be able to conduct project after the training (will be
decided during assessment per communication between potential trainer/
trainee during identification of whether or not one need training for
*three days* for example) - then although the money available,
probably one is not the best person attending the training.
We're aiming *the* interested and willing.
Another example is if PH would like to conduct Wiki Loves Monument. By
all mean, don't come to Indonesia, we never done that before :D nor
interested to provide training for it. You'd probably best invite the
Netherlanders - for example. If the Netherlanders are willing to come
i.e to Phillipines with their own funding, asks Apsara to funded
Bangladeshian or Indian or Korean to fly to Philipine to listen for
the workshop and we'll send you the money. *shrug*
That's it.
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Hello All,
As an offshoot of the other email thread, I recommend we start the ball
rolling by having a common meeting. Relying on Wikimania and other
conferences may not be good enough.
So lets start this discussion.
Who (Chapters) will participate? You can bring as much participants as you
want in a room per chapter.
When is the most common date and time? Saturday maybe a good choice and
afternoon of UTC+8 is common amongst us. Date can be discussed further .
What mode of live communication (no physical meeting)? Phone? Phone+Web?
Skype? WebEx? TextChat like chatroll.com?
What set of topics to discuss ?
Since its the first wide "getting to know you" conference we will setup,
as much as possible we should discuss our chapter's strengths, challenges,
projects in the pipeline as well as common projects we can cooperate like
say Wikidata Infobox, Professionalization, etc. Lets minimize or no
politics.
How long?
Where ? In our own common areas like a rented conference room or classroom
or possibly a garage.
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Hi all
As I remembered that in the Berlin conference this year
there is a barcamp section on regional coopertation stuff, right?
I wonder if anyone learn anything worth to share to the list
and moreover anyone managed to speak there?
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