Oops, I forgot, if we do want to go forward and do a Asian chapters meeting - we will need Erik Zachte to be there. You can not plan without numbers and he has that.
And any other persons that may be a good addition - that anyone here can think of?
If somebody is WMF staff or board, WMF can support them finically and what we have to do is ask them. So it has no limitation on no.
Cheers, Morgan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:12, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
Oops, I forgot, if we do want to go forward and do a Asian chapters meeting
- we will need Erik Zachte to be there. You can not plan without
numbers and he has that.
And any other persons that may be a good addition - that anyone here can think of?
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote: > Ted, > Thank you for the perspective, I still remember Anirudh saying how the > Wikimania in Taipei is the "cleanest" (meaning the most organized) - > and he was saying that after Argentine (so I was drawing a conclusion > here). > > Morgan, > I have no doubt you can deliver, I kept saying the opposite here that > (may) sound discouraging because I know for a fact that the European > is paying (most of it), and for them, unlike Wikimania, they see > chapter's meeting as "business meeting" instead of "fun/ vacation/ > wikimania" type. Sure WMF people wants to go to Hong Kong, I would > too, I mean my last experience in the German Embassy for schengen visa > is a bit traumatic compare to Hong Kong "walk in" no visa required. > > What I meant to say is this, if you do have energy to spent, focused > on the Asian chapter's meeting. It seem like a mutual agreement > already - not just venue, not just transport, you don't even have to > worry about sponsors - even if you bill the whole thing to WMF and > insist: "We need this, we need a good facilitators too - consultant > for non profit - a three day training identifying what our weakness > is, what our strength - how we can push the movement together - the > Asian way - how we can fill each other's weaknesses" - everyone would > say - YES - let them meet - they need to push forward in synergy. > > I even thought about hiring Indonesian best facilitators for this, > surely they will not bill in Euros. > > -- > Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia > Ph. +62 816 484 5052 > ~~~~ > Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: > http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Yes, But I would like to keep what relevant in place. I don't think inviting the whole WMF board is necessary nor productive. For example Example; personally I think Bishaka would definitely need to be there (India), but is Phoebe relevant? This is Asian chapter's meeting, I don't remember WMID voting for Phoebe for chapter's seat (for example) nor the organization find it necessary of her being there. If WMHK and WMAU wanted to invite her relevant to their GLAM project (for example) then she need to be there.
Since this is a focus on us, (another example), I don't even think inviting Mike Godwin is necessary.
So I'm just focusing on who need to be there and who doesn't. Otherwise it would be a waste of resources both for us (time) and theirs (time and money).
Oops, and also equally important are issues.
Speaking behalf of WMID, as an organization we are interested in: 1. leadership situation for other Asian chapter: how many are yous? how many are active? how many members? what are their background? what do you expect when you first establish an organization? where are you now? what is your situation in regeneration of your board? 2. monetary situation for another Asian chapter: how much does it take to run an organization in your country? where are you now? 3. doing exchange for university students inside a program (this is worldwide - not limited to Asian only - either way works though) for "free knowlege movement" 4. Where are our projects in the map and how we can boost it? (this is where I need Erik Zachte) For example, is Bangladesh people more interested in Wikisource than Wikipedia? What are community and chapter interaction?
Speaking on behalf of myself, I am not interested in: 1. discussing copyright issues related to using Wikipedia trademark - I'm not interested (long explanation though) 2. discussing where we are in chapter agreement with WMF
I'll be talking about this from a strictly personal point of view, but I'd like to see the following discussed at an Asian chapters meeting, in addition to what Siska has elaborated:
*The direction the movement will take in Asia (particularly in India and the Middle East, two areas which the WMF has declared as priority areas) and the role Asian chapters play in getting us there and keeping that direction *How Asian chapters will help jumpstart other Asian chapters, as what was agreed upon in Berlin last April (the second point requires then that we invite people who are not necessarily from chapters, but are interested in setting up chapters in their respective home countries) *Discussion of best practices among chapters to be shared for our mutual benefit (such as projects, funding sources, boosting membership numbers, etc.)
There are a few more, but I can't seem to think of them at the moment. But I'll be sure to add them in when I discuss them. I do agree however that such a meeting needs to come up with a clear goal and a clear strategy so that we are not too distracted.
Regards,
Josh
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President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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________________________________ From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 10:13:42 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Asian Chapters Meeting 2011
Oops, and also equally important are issues.
Speaking behalf of WMID, as an organization we are interested in: 1. leadership situation for other Asian chapter: how many are yous? how many are active? how many members? what are their background? what do you expect when you first establish an organization? where are you now? what is your situation in regeneration of your board? 2. monetary situation for another Asian chapter: how much does it take to run an organization in your country? where are you now? 3. doing exchange for university students inside a program (this is worldwide - not limited to Asian only - either way works though) for "free knowlege movement" 4. Where are our projects in the map and how we can boost it? (this is where I need Erik Zachte) For example, is Bangladesh people more interested in Wikisource than Wikipedia? What are community and chapter interaction?
Speaking on behalf of myself, I am not interested in: 1. discussing copyright issues related to using Wikipedia trademark - I'm not interested (long explanation though) 2. discussing where we are in chapter agreement with WMF
Josh, This is personal - from resources point of view - of what WMID may or may not able to accommodate
*How Asian chapters will help jumpstart other Asian chapters, as what was agreed upon in Berlin last April (the second point requires then that we invite people who are not necessarily from chapters, but are interested in setting up chapters in their respective home countries)
Personally, I don't think it is wise that WMID help in here. WMID, as an organization in Indonesia, is not strong yet, like one of those stewardess inside the flight that say " give your oxygen to the adult passenger first before you are helping the baby." We don't want both (mother and the baby) die because we don't have priority on who is to be safe first. This may sound mean, so be it. It's easy for the European to say this because for what I see from Florence's email about chapter's finances, most of their resources (money) are underspent.
If members of WMID have more time in their hands, or even IF WMID have more members, I would be focusing to build their capacity first, as member of a strong organization - before they jump to another boat with unclear situation and advising things that they are not sure how to do themselve.
The rest of your points - I think we should start wiki - before it get lost.
Why don't you create a page on meta, under the Wikimedia Asia Project? It is hard for me to follow such a long essay.
Btw, I got something from cyberport, they can only sponsor us maximum $10,000 euros for the venue, catering and accommodation in cyberport. So I think we might leave the chance to the wikimania 2012 or chapters meeting 2011.
Cheers, Morgan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 9, 2010, at 16:46, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
Josh, This is personal - from resources point of view - of what WMID may or may not able to accommodate
*How Asian chapters will help jumpstart other Asian chapters, as what was agreed upon in Berlin last April (the second point requires then that we invite people who are not necessarily from chapters, but are interested in setting up chapters in their respective home countries)
Personally, I don't think it is wise that WMID help in here. WMID, as an organization in Indonesia, is not strong yet, like one of those stewardess inside the flight that say " give your oxygen to the adult passenger first before you are helping the baby." We don't want both (mother and the baby) die because we don't have priority on who is to be safe first. This may sound mean, so be it. It's easy for the European to say this because for what I see from Florence's email about chapter's finances, most of their resources (money) are underspent.
If members of WMID have more time in their hands, or even IF WMID have more members, I would be focusing to build their capacity first, as member of a strong organization - before they jump to another boat with unclear situation and advising things that they are not sure how to do themselve.
The rest of your points - I think we should start wiki - before it get lost.
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
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Fine.
But since Wikimedia Asia is not a legal body and a wrong term:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Asian_Chapters_Meeting
Category would be: [[Asian Chapters Meeting]] [[Wikimedia Indonesia]] [[Wikimedia Hong Kong]] [[Fill in the blanks...]] <-- this is good to identify which chapter want to take part, and please-please-please add your own chapter instead of adding other chapters. We'll see how many is interested then
Agreed - it would need to be an agreement between the participating chapters as Wikimedia Asia is more trademark than entity. Each chapter would then contribute and participate only to the extent to which it could justify agreeing in terms of its national priorities / funds and people available / etc.
What sometimes works in Australia (I don't know how this works in other countries) is that sometimes if you can persuade some government body (usually at state level) that there is a benefit to them in the country hosting the international conference, their tourism department may come up with a grant which may cover part or all of the expenses. This was factored into the Brisbane bid for Wikimania a couple of years ago, as well as prospective bids from other cities which never progressed beyond the idea stage.
kindest regards Andrew
On 9 August 2010 19:51, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
Fine.
But since Wikimedia Asia is not a legal body and a wrong term:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Asian_Chapters_Meeting
Category would be: [[Asian Chapters Meeting]] [[Wikimedia Indonesia]] [[Wikimedia Hong Kong]] [[Fill in the blanks...]] <-- this is good to identify which chapter want to take part, and please-please-please add your own chapter instead of adding other chapters. We'll see how many is interested then
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk> wrote: > Why don't you create a page on meta, under the Wikimedia Asia Project? > It is hard for me to follow such a long essay. > > Btw, I got something from cyberport, they can only sponsor us maximum $10,000 euros for the venue, catering and accommodation in cyberport. So I think we might leave the chance to the wikimania 2012 or chapters meeting 2011. > > Cheers, > Morgan > > Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Hi Andrew,
What sometimes works in Australia (I don't know how this works in other countries) is that sometimes if you can persuade some government body (usually at state level) that there is a benefit to them in the country hosting the international conference, their tourism department may come up with a grant which may cover part or all of the expenses. This was factored into the Brisbane bid for Wikimania
I think this kind of meeting not exactly "international" or big enough to become beneficial for other outside sponsoring party. I say, it's more like Johnson & Johnson regional meeting - instead of global meeting. I also remember somewhere in your email you said personal funding to came to this meeting? Well, err.., I don't know how it worked in other countries but Indonesian are not exactly a "pot luck" kind - let say - just hypothetically - we held it in Hong Kong (I don't care if it is held in Australia, btw, but I assume Visa will be a pain for Indonesian) - and you came with personal funding - and I came with personal funding, I would (guarantee) I dash off to Disneyland the minute I had the chance, even if I have to attend something, my mind probably wonder off to some Chinese restaurant I haven't tried on "that" street. If someone come up to me and say: Yo Siska, pay attention will ya? I would say: Hey, I came with my own money, I'd think I reserve the right to do things.
So just to clear things out, please don't came to the Asian chapter's meeting with your own money. The spirit behind it is: we want you to be there, we want your time, we value your attention, and ideas, we DON'T want your money. Because if this is the case, only the CAN attend, and not the SHOULD.
Personal view though.
Hi Siska (and all),
I'd say it should be in HK or Singapore as they're the "hub" cities of transport in South East Asia, whereas everyone has a minimum 4 hour flying time if it was held in Perth, or 7 hours if east coast. (I'd love to say "bring it to Perth!" but I am the only active chapter member in this city and that's not likely to change soon... plus I know an objective comparison of costs would make any major Asian city better value for money.) As Singapore doesn't have a chapter it makes more sense to host it where there is local support.
Re personal funds - I can see the argument you're making, although it's sometimes the case that a chapter might have different (i.e. local) priorities for its cash and its board members, while free to go to an event, have to find their own cash to do so. When we (Australians) went to Berlin we each booked a few extra days on our own time (additionally to what was granted to us) so we could see the sights after the conclusion of the meeting. I believe other board members have on other occasions paid their own way to events attended on behalf of the chapter.
kindest regards Andrew
On 9 August 2010 20:45, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
Hi Andrew,
What sometimes works in Australia (I don't know how this works in other
countries) is that sometimes if you can persuade some government body (usually at state level) that there is a benefit to them in the country hosting the international conference, their tourism department may come up with a grant which may cover part or all of the expenses. This was factored into the Brisbane bid for Wikimania
I think this kind of meeting not exactly "international" or big enough to become beneficial for other outside sponsoring party. I say, it's more like Johnson & Johnson regional meeting - instead of global meeting. I also remember somewhere in your email you said personal funding to came to this meeting? Well, err.., I don't know how it worked in other countries but Indonesian are not exactly a "pot luck" kind - let say - just hypothetically - we held it in Hong Kong (I don't care if it is held in Australia, btw, but I assume Visa will be a pain for Indonesian) - and you came with personal funding - and I came with personal funding, I would (guarantee) I dash off to Disneyland the minute I had the chance, even if I have to attend something, my mind probably wonder off to some Chinese restaurant I haven't tried on "that" street. If someone come up to me and say: Yo Siska, pay attention will ya? I would say: Hey, I came with my own money, I'd think I reserve the right to do things.
So just to clear things out, please don't came to the Asian chapter's meeting with your own money. The spirit behind it is: we want you to be there, we want your time, we value your attention, and ideas, we DON'T want your money. Because if this is the case, only the CAN attend, and not the SHOULD.
Personal view though.
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Andrew Owens <orderinchaos78@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed - it would need to be an agreement between the participating chapters > as Wikimedia Asia is more trademark than entity. Each chapter would then > contribute and participate only to the extent to which it could justify > agreeing in terms of its national priorities / funds and people available / > etc. > > What sometimes works in Australia (I don't know how this works in other > countries) is that sometimes if you can persuade some government body > (usually at state level) that there is a benefit to them in the country > hosting the international conference, their tourism department may come up > with a grant which may cover part or all of the expenses. This was factored > into the Brisbane bid for Wikimania a couple of years ago, as well as > prospective bids from other cities which never progressed beyond the idea > stage. > > kindest regards > Andrew _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Personally i would prefer Australia because i had never been there before. :p
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Andrew Owens orderinchaos78@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Siska (and all),
I'd say it should be in HK or Singapore as they're the "hub" cities of transport in South East Asia, whereas everyone has a minimum 4 hour flying time if it was held in Perth, or 7 hours if east coast. (I'd love to say "bring it to Perth!" but I am the only active chapter member in this city and that's not likely to change soon... plus I know an objective comparison of costs would make any major Asian city better value for money.) As Singapore doesn't have a chapter it makes more sense to host it where there is local support.
Re personal funds - I can see the argument you're making, although it's sometimes the case that a chapter might have different (i.e. local) priorities for its cash and its board members, while free to go to an event, have to find their own cash to do so. When we (Australians) went to Berlin we each booked a few extra days on our own time (additionally to what was granted to us) so we could see the sights after the conclusion of the meeting. I believe other board members have on other occasions paid their own way to events attended on behalf of the chapter.
kindest regards Andrew
On 9 August 2010 20:45, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.idwrote:
Hi Andrew,
What sometimes works in Australia (I don't know how this works in other
countries) is that sometimes if you can persuade some government body (usually at state level) that there is a benefit to them in the country hosting the international conference, their tourism department may come up with a grant which may cover part or all of the expenses. This was factored into the Brisbane bid for Wikimania
I think this kind of meeting not exactly "international" or big enough to become beneficial for other outside sponsoring party. I say, it's more like Johnson & Johnson regional meeting - instead of global meeting. I also remember somewhere in your email you said personal funding to came to this meeting? Well, err.., I don't know how it worked in other countries but Indonesian are not exactly a "pot luck" kind - let say - just hypothetically - we held it in Hong Kong (I don't care if it is held in Australia, btw, but I assume Visa will be a pain for Indonesian) - and you came with personal funding - and I came with personal funding, I would (guarantee) I dash off to Disneyland the minute I had the chance, even if I have to attend something, my mind probably wonder off to some Chinese restaurant I haven't tried on "that" street. If someone come up to me and say: Yo Siska, pay attention will ya? I would say: Hey, I came with my own money, I'd think I reserve the right to do things.
So just to clear things out, please don't came to the Asian chapter's meeting with your own money. The spirit behind it is: we want you to be there, we want your time, we value your attention, and ideas, we DON'T want your money. Because if this is the case, only the CAN attend, and not the SHOULD.
Personal view though.
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Andrew Owens <orderinchaos78@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed - it would need to be an agreement between the participating chapters > as Wikimedia Asia is more trademark than entity. Each chapter would then > contribute and participate only to the extent to which it could justify > agreeing in terms of its national priorities / funds and people available / > etc. > > What sometimes works in Australia (I don't know how this works in other > countries) is that sometimes if you can persuade some government body > (usually at state level) that there is a benefit to them in the country > hosting the international conference, their tourism department may come up > with a grant which may cover part or all of the expenses. This was factored > into the Brisbane bid for Wikimania a couple of years ago, as well as > prospective bids from other cities which never progressed beyond the idea > stage. > > kindest regards > Andrew _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
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Personally I would opt out Hong Kong and Singapore since I've been there. India, is tempting...
I'd all invite you to the Philippines instead. ;)
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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________________________________ From: Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 12:14:38 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Asian Chapters Meeting 2011
Personally I would opt out Hong Kong and Singapore since I've been there. India, is tempting...
I dun mind if you can offer me a hotel room and round-trip air ticket. :p
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
I'd all invite you to the Philippines instead. ;)
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
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*From:* Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id *To:* Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination < wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org> *Sent:* Tue, August 10, 2010 12:14:38 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Asian Chapters Meeting 2011
Personally I would opt out Hong Kong and Singapore since I've been there. India, is tempting... -- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
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Well, Richard from NYC said we are welcome to hold it in New York, he has a good place in Chinatown. I did wonder why we want to go all the way to New York and end up in China, though. He said because it is Asian chapter's meeting. He is being respectful.
But I think he's just jealous, because we - peasant chapters - get together and he's not invited. * grin *
Haha!! Richard is a big fan of Asian Chapters. He also joined the Asian meet up in wikimania this year. He is one of our best friend, since we had a very good time with him when we were stranded in Berlin. Right, Josh?
I want to go to NYC too, because i had never been there except in the GTA4 game. :p
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
Well, Richard from NYC said we are welcome to hold it in New York, he has a good place in Chinatown. I did wonder why we want to go all the way to New York and end up in China, though. He said because it is Asian chapter's meeting. He is being respectful.
But I think he's just jealous, because we - peasant chapters - get together and he's not invited. * grin *
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
To be fair, in all the years I've lived in the U.S., I've never been to New York City.
Yes, Richard is very friendly towards the Asian chapters. Very pleasant to be with too. :)
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
________________________________ From: Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 12:40:11 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Asian Chapters Meeting 2011
Haha!! Richard is a big fan of Asian Chapters. He also joined the Asian meet up in wikimania this year. He is one of our best friend, since we had a very good time with him when we were stranded in Berlin. Right, Josh?
I want to go to NYC too, because i had never been there except in the GTA4 game. :p
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
Well,
Richard from NYC said we are welcome to hold it in New York, he has a good place in Chinatown. I did wonder why we want to go all the way to New York and end up in China, though. He said because it is Asian chapter's meeting. He is being respectful.
But I think he's just jealous, because we - peasant chapters - get together and he's not invited. * grin *
-- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052
Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Getting visa for me is difficult , but Australia and NYC are tempting
Mardetanha
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:
To be fair, in all the years I've lived in the U.S., I've never been to New York City.
Yes, Richard is very friendly towards the Asian chapters. Very pleasant to be with too. :)
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
President (2010-2011), Wikimedia Philippines Assistant Vice-President for Sponsorship and Sales (2010-2011), The Assembly Varsity Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, Ateneo Lingua Ars Cultura
jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63(917)358-2508 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com
*From:* Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk
*To:* Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination < wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org> *Sent:* Tue, August 10, 2010 12:40:11 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Asian Chapters Meeting 2011
Haha!! Richard is a big fan of Asian Chapters. He also joined the Asian meet up in wikimania this year. He is one of our best friend, since we had a very good time with him when we were stranded in Berlin. Right, Josh?
I want to go to NYC too, because i had never been there except in the GTA4 game. :p
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
Well, Richard from NYC said we are welcome to hold it in New York, he has a good place in Chinatown. I did wonder why we want to go all the way to New York and end up in China, though. He said because it is Asian chapter's meeting. He is being respectful.
But I think he's just jealous, because we - peasant chapters - get together and he's not invited. * grin *
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Who said anything about flying? We're going to swim there, using Wikimedia head cap, so it will attract both shark and the news. It's good for outreach and coverage. No need for visa, we just gonna have a short one and a half day meeting in immigration office Australia/ New York
Lol
Cheers, Morgan
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On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:49, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
Who said anything about flying? We're going to swim there, using Wikimedia head cap, so it will attract both shark and the news. It's good for outreach and coverage. No need for visa, we just gonna have a short one and a half day meeting in immigration office Australia/ New York
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Morgan,
If a meeting of all the chapters won't cut it, perhaps that can be used for the Asian chapters meeting instead. 10,000 euros is a lot for the seven Asian chapters (AU, HK, ID, IL, IN, PH, TW) should we push through with a meeting next year. :)
Regards,
Josh
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________________________________ From: Morgan Chan morgand536@wikimedia.hk To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 7:40:18 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Asian Chapters Meeting 2011
Why don't you create a page on meta, under the Wikimedia Asia Project? It is hard for me to follow such a long essay.
Btw, I got something from cyberport, they can only sponsor us maximum $10,000 euros for the venue, catering and accommodation in cyberport. So I think we might leave the chance to the wikimania 2012 or chapters meeting 2011.
Cheers, Morgan
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On Aug 9, 2010, at 16:46, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
Josh, This is personal - from resources point of view - of what WMID may or may not able to accommodate
*How Asian chapters will help jumpstart other Asian chapters, as what was agreed upon in Berlin last April (the second point requires then that we invite people who are not necessarily from chapters, but are interested in setting up chapters in their respective home countries)
Personally, I don't think it is wise that WMID help in here. WMID, as an organization in Indonesia, is not strong yet, like one of those stewardess inside the flight that say " give your oxygen to the adult passenger first before you are helping the baby." We don't want both (mother and the baby) die because we don't have priority on who is to be safe first. This may sound mean, so be it. It's easy for the European to say this because for what I see from Florence's email about chapter's finances, most of their resources (money) are underspent.
If members of WMID have more time in their hands, or even IF WMID have more members, I would be focusing to build their capacity first, as member of a strong organization - before they jump to another boat with unclear situation and advising things that they are not sure how to do themselve.
The rest of your points - I think we should start wiki - before it get lost.
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It would be great if two Asian wmf board members can come.
I know Barry is responsible for chapters. And Kul helps us a lot on Asia affairs. Both of them can be invited too.
Cheers, Morgan
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On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:56, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
Yes, But I would like to keep what relevant in place. I don't think inviting the whole WMF board is necessary nor productive. For example Example; personally I think Bishaka would definitely need to be there (India), but is Phoebe relevant? This is Asian chapter's meeting, I don't remember WMID voting for Phoebe for chapter's seat (for example) nor the organization find it necessary of her being there. If WMHK and WMAU wanted to invite her relevant to their GLAM project (for example) then she need to be there.
Since this is a focus on us, (another example), I don't even think inviting Mike Godwin is necessary.
So I'm just focusing on who need to be there and who doesn't. Otherwise it would be a waste of resources both for us (time) and theirs (time and money).
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Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk> wrote: > If somebody is WMF staff or board, WMF can support them finically and what we have to do is ask them. So it has no limitation on no. > > Cheers, > Morgan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:12, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote: > >> Oops, >> I forgot, if we do want to go forward and do a Asian chapters meeting >> - we will need Erik Zachte to be there. You can not plan without >> numbers and he has that. >> >> And any other persons that may be a good addition - that anyone here >> can think of? >> >> -- >> Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia >> Ph. +62 816 484 5052 >> ~~~~ >> Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: >> http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi >> >> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Siska Doviana >> <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote: >>> Ted, >>> Thank you for the perspective, I still remember Anirudh saying how the >>> Wikimania in Taipei is the "cleanest" (meaning the most organized) - >>> and he was saying that after Argentine (so I was drawing a conclusion >>> here). >>> >>> Morgan, >>> I have no doubt you can deliver, I kept saying the opposite here that >>> (may) sound discouraging because I know for a fact that the European >>> is paying (most of it), and for them, unlike Wikimania, they see >>> chapter's meeting as "business meeting" instead of "fun/ vacation/ >>> wikimania" type. Sure WMF people wants to go to Hong Kong, I would >>> too, I mean my last experience in the German Embassy for schengen visa >>> is a bit traumatic compare to Hong Kong "walk in" no visa required. >>> >>> What I meant to say is this, if you do have energy to spent, focused >>> on the Asian chapter's meeting. It seem like a mutual agreement >>> already - not just venue, not just transport, you don't even have to >>> worry about sponsors - even if you bill the whole thing to WMF and >>> insist: "We need this, we need a good facilitators too - consultant >>> for non profit - a three day training identifying what our weakness >>> is, what our strength - how we can push the movement together - the >>> Asian way - how we can fill each other's weaknesses" - everyone would >>> say - YES - let them meet - they need to push forward in synergy. >>> >>> I even thought about hiring Indonesian best facilitators for this, >>> surely they will not bill in Euros. >>> >>> -- >>> Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia >>> Ph. +62 816 484 5052 >>> ~~~~ >>> Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: >>> http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list > Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
Maybe we could start by identifying participants before guest *grin* 1. How many (everyone here) think should come as representative goes? 2. Are they available? 3. How long will it take? Two days/ three? 4. When? (do HK seriously (STILL) want to combine it with (ALL) chapter's meeting? If the answer to this is yes, I don't think Asia chapter's meeting host should loose focus - it's too important to WMID personally) I don't care where it will be held personally, I just don't want a LoL meeting happening. I want the host to be ready with facilitators, not from business perspective but from non profit, management guru, etc
Again, it's too important...
A few diffuse points:
Eugene's an obvious WMF board member who comes to mind.
I agree with Siska that "LoL meetings" are not desirable - any meeting on this scale should have a clear purpose, clear goals, clear things to achieve, clear things for participants to take away. My experience is that 1½ days plus a networking meet-n-greet (no sessions) the previous night, and a "conference dinner" generally works best without exhausting the participants or the organisers. Agree with Siska's points re facilitators too.
Speaking personally I'd be happy to attend, local (i.e. Australian or personal) funding permitting.
kindest regards Andrew
On 9 August 2010 13:58, Siska Doviana siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
Maybe we could start by identifying participants before guest *grin*
- How many (everyone here) think should come as representative goes?
- Are they available?
- How long will it take? Two days/ three?
- When? (do HK seriously (STILL) want to combine it with (ALL)
chapter's meeting? If the answer to this is yes, I don't think Asia chapter's meeting host should loose focus - it's too important to WMID personally) I don't care where it will be held personally, I just don't want a LoL meeting happening. I want the host to be ready with facilitators, not from business perspective but from non profit, management guru, etc
Again, it's too important...
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Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk> wrote: > It would be great if two Asian wmf board members can come. > > I know Barry is responsible for chapters. And Kul helps us a lot on Asia affairs. Both of them can be invited too. > > Cheers, > Morgan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:56, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote: > >> Yes, >> But I would like to keep what relevant in place. I don't think >> inviting the whole WMF board is necessary nor productive. For example >> Example; personally I think Bishaka would definitely need to be there >> (India), but is Phoebe relevant? This is Asian chapter's meeting, I >> don't remember WMID voting for Phoebe for chapter's seat (for example) >> nor the organization find it necessary of her being there. If WMHK and >> WMAU wanted to invite her relevant to their GLAM project (for example) >> then she need to be there. >> >> Since this is a focus on us, (another example), I don't even think >> inviting Mike Godwin is necessary. >> >> So I'm just focusing on who need to be there and who doesn't. >> Otherwise it would be a waste of resources both for us (time) and >> theirs (time and money). >> >> -- >> Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia >> Ph. +62 816 484 5052 >> ~~~~ >> Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: >> http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi >> >> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Morgan Chan <morgand536@wikimedia.hk> wrote: >>> If somebody is WMF staff or board, WMF can support them finically and what we have to do is ask them. So it has no limitation on no. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Morgan >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:12, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote: >>> >>>> Oops, >>>> I forgot, if we do want to go forward and do a Asian chapters meeting >>>> - we will need Erik Zachte to be there. You can not plan without >>>> numbers and he has that. >>>> >>>> And any other persons that may be a good addition - that anyone here >>>> can think of? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia >>>> Ph. +62 816 484 5052 >>>> ~~~~ >>>> Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: >>>> http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Siska Doviana >>>> <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote: >>>>> Ted, >>>>> Thank you for the perspective, I still remember Anirudh saying how the >>>>> Wikimania in Taipei is the "cleanest" (meaning the most organized) - >>>>> and he was saying that after Argentine (so I was drawing a conclusion >>>>> here). >>>>> >>>>> Morgan, >>>>> I have no doubt you can deliver, I kept saying the opposite here that >>>>> (may) sound discouraging because I know for a fact that the European >>>>> is paying (most of it), and for them, unlike Wikimania, they see >>>>> chapter's meeting as "business meeting" instead of "fun/ vacation/ >>>>> wikimania" type. Sure WMF people wants to go to Hong Kong, I would >>>>> too, I mean my last experience in the German Embassy for schengen visa >>>>> is a bit traumatic compare to Hong Kong "walk in" no visa required. >>>>> >>>>> What I meant to say is this, if you do have energy to spent, focused >>>>> on the Asian chapter's meeting. It seem like a mutual agreement >>>>> already - not just venue, not just transport, you don't even have to >>>>> worry about sponsors - even if you bill the whole thing to WMF and >>>>> insist: "We need this, we need a good facilitators too - consultant >>>>> for non profit - a three day training identifying what our weakness >>>>> is, what our strength - how we can push the movement together - the >>>>> Asian way - how we can fill each other's weaknesses" - everyone would >>>>> say - YES - let them meet - they need to push forward in synergy. >>>>> >>>>> I even thought about hiring Indonesian best facilitators for this, >>>>> surely they will not bill in Euros. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia >>>>> Ph. +62 816 484 5052 >>>>> ~~~~ >>>>> Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: >>>>> http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >>>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
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