on 10/12/07 8:23 AM, Daniel R. Tobias at dan(a)tobias.name wrote: I agree with you, Dan. There is a huge difference between attacking an issue and attacking a person. If you want to attack an issue - do it honestly, and in public. If you must attack a person - make it a confrontation - make it verbally - and in private.

On 10/12/07, Phil Sandifer <Snowspinner(a)gmail.com> wrote: Actually I think the depiction of Brandt as "a complete nutter" is more a symptom of someone who gets too much of their information from Wikipedia (and Wikipedia-related resources like this mailing list). If you actually read what he himself has written or (God forbid) actually have a conversation with him I think you'll get a totally different view. For instance, he doesn't push the MI-5 thing, and he expressly is against using the term "spy". So in that sense the efforts of Fred and company are working, Brandt has been painted as "a complete nutter" to Wikipedians. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

We did, but more because we got tired of the arguments than that we decided he was right.

On 12/10/2007, Charlotte Webb <charlottethewebb(a)gmail.com> wrote: Did people seriously believe that?

On 12/10/2007, Gwern Branwen <gwern0(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 2007.10.12 20:15:12 +0100, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> scribbled 11 lines: > > On 12/10/2007, Charlotte Webb <charlottethewebb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 10/12/07, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > We did, but more because we got tired of the arguments than that we > > > > decided he was right.

> > > And because enough people thought he'd stop harassing people if he got > > > what he wanted.

> > Did people seriously believe that?

> Oh yes, they most emphatically did.

I despair.

On Oct 12, 2007, at 9:14 AM, Anthony wrote: I'd actually describe it as a symptom of someone of whom Brandt said "If I know anything about how grad school works, it wouldn't take much to put him in a position where he either decides to leave Wikipedia or decides that he doesn't need a Ph.D. after all" shortly before an unknown person called the local police in Gainesville in an active and deliberate attempt to get me harassed by them. I can understand how you'd confuse the two, though.

On Oct 12, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Anthony wrote: "sociopathic fuckwit" seems to me a subclass of nutter I went with the higher order classification because I suspect that he slots neatly into other subclasses, however.

And what, exactly, were you trying to accomplish by implying I might be making those events up?

On 10/12/07, Phil Sandifer <Snowspinner(a)gmail.com> wrote: Beyond right and wrong, there is... an encyclopedia to write.

On 10/12/07, Phil Sandifer <Snowspinner(a)gmail.com> wrote: I've found I get reverted a whole lot more, though.