This page is a bit of information and photos from the Boston meeting of Wikipedians. It is obviously in violation of nothing. What were you thinking?
Fred
The 'legitimate' reason for the complaint, I gather, is that the images are marked copyrighted and explicitly deny the right to redistribute outside Wikipedia. However, VfD is not the place to take this. That issue is with the copyright status of the images, not the appropriateness of the page. The page itself is about Wikipedia and is in a User: namespace, so there are no problems there whatsoever.
-Morven
I referenced the violations right in my email. [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]] #15, and [[Wikipedia:Copyrights]] ("If you contribute material to Wikipedia, you thereby license it to the public under the GFDL"). The appropriate place to bring up a violation of what Wikipedia is not is on VfD. As for the violation of Wikipedia:Copyrights, there really isn't an appropriate place to bring it up. It's not a copyright violation, so the copyright problems page isn't appropriate. And the image is still used on a page, so images for deletion isn't appropriate either.
Similarly, I once received a message on my talk page saying, "Do you mind not going and vfding other peoples articles." What are these people thinking? That you're supposed to list only your own articles?
Timwi
Perhaps the problem is that the page was created by an admin (and that's what "other people" was supposed to mean). I'm going to take that as my lesson. Don't list pages created by admins on VfD. Maybe I'll even extend it to not listing pages created by longstanding Wikipedians on VfD, at least not without discussing it with them first.
In hindsight I guess I could have started by asking Raul to license the images under the GFDL and to move the page to meta or his personal homepage or somewhere more appropriate than en. I highly doubt this would have worked, but at that point I guess I could have brought the issue up here. I can't get blocked from en.Wikpedia for bringing up issues on this mailing list, can I?
Again, I'm not saying the block was against the rules. I don't really care about the block. My issues are with the page being on Wikipedia, with the images not being licensed to anyone other than Wikipedia, and with the rudeness of the admin who blocked me without discussing things with me first.
Forgive me for not getting this, but why not just let it languish on VfD? It's clearly not going to get deleted. Mark
Last time I checked it still is on VfD. And yes, it's clearly not going to get deleted, so I'd remove the nomination except for the fact that I'm blocked.
Anthony
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:59:00 -0400, Anthony DiPierro anthonydipierro@hotmail.com wrote:
I referenced the violations right in my email. [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]] #15, and [[Wikipedia:Copyrights]] ("If you contribute material to Wikipedia, you thereby license it to the public under the GFDL"). The appropriate place to bring up a violation of what Wikipedia is not is on VfD. As for the violation of Wikipedia:Copyrights, there really isn't an appropriate place to bring it up. It's not a copyright violation, so the copyright problems page isn't appropriate. And the image is still used on a page, so images for deletion isn't appropriate either.
The user-space article in question is definitely on-topic for an article in that space; it's about en.wikipedia (in specific, pictures of a real-world meet of wikipedians). Do you seriously believe that articles, photo galleries etc. of Wikipedian meets are not (or should not be) allowed on the english wikipedia in the user space?
Copyright problems OTHER than violations are also on-topic for [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems]] - that's exactly why the name got moved, IIRC. So that's where you bring up issues with image licensing.
I am absolutely sure, Anthony, that you listed this on VfD knowing everyone would disagree. Thus, I believe you did it for the purpose of "making a point"; ie. trolling.
The proper course of action would have been to take it up with the user directly. I do agree that if Raul654 wants to put up redistribution-prohibited pictures and cares deeply about that restriction, he might want to consider placing his images elsewhere (if nothing else, because technically by submitting his own work to Wikipedia, he explicitly DID license those images under the GFDL ...)
-Morven
I think this is probably a good idea for everyone, not just for you. Working on a page and then having to mess around defending it on VfD is no fun for anyone, newbie or old hand.
Fred
From: "Anthony DiPierro" anthonydipierro@hotmail.com Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:59:00 -0400 To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Block #1
Don't list pages created by admins on VfD. Maybe I'll even extend it to not listing pages created by longstanding Wikipedians on VfD, at least not without discussing it with them first.
Fred Bauder wrote:
Don't list pages created by admins on VfD. Maybe I'll even extend it to not listing pages created by longstanding Wikipedians on VfD, at least not without discussing it with them first.
I think this is probably a good idea for everyone, not just for you. Working on a page and then having to mess around defending it on VfD is no fun for anyone, newbie or old hand.
You're seriously suggesting that pages created by admins should be unVfDable? I object.
I guess what I said is ambiguous. I suggest talking with the creator of pages first rather than simply listing them is a good idea.
Fred
From: Timwi timwi@gmx.net Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 01:13:11 +0100 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Block #1
Fred Bauder wrote:
Don't list pages created by admins on VfD. Maybe I'll even extend it to not listing pages created by longstanding Wikipedians on VfD, at least not without discussing it with them first.
I think this is probably a good idea for everyone, not just for you. Working on a page and then having to mess around defending it on VfD is no fun for anyone, newbie or old hand.
You're seriously suggesting that pages created by admins should be unVfDable? I object.
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