I really don't think it matters if recipes and other how to's are on wikipedia or on wikibooks, as long as they are not deleted totally. Can we come to some agreement on what to do and just do it. I would like a policy in place so that they don't keep getting listed on VfD.
Theresa
I liked the compromise of having them in both places with no more hassle about it. Obviously the encyclopedia article can be more complete with history of the recipe, alternate formulations etc.
Fred
From: "KNOTT, T" tknott@qcl.org.uk Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:34:22 -0000 To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: RE: [WikiEN-l] HOWTOs/Recipes/Instructions and other imperativecontent
I really don't think it matters if recipes and other how to's are on wikipedia or on wikibooks, as long as they are not deleted totally. Can we come to some agreement on what to do and just do it. I would like a policy in place so that they don't keep getting listed on VfD.
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I really don't think it matters if recipes and other how to's are on
wikipedia or on wikibooks, as long as they are not deleted totally. Can we come to some agreement on what to do and just do it. I would like a policy in place so that they don't keep getting listed on VfD.
Theresa
Well, I believed it was policy they all went to wikibooks; I thought and think that that's a good, clear policy; and not one that hampers changing the policy later if other thoughts prevail.
Charles
Charles Matthews wrote:
I really don't think it matters if recipes and other how to's are on
wikipedia or on wikibooks, as long as they are not deleted totally. Can we come to some agreement on what to do and just do it. I would like a policy in place so that they don't keep getting listed on VfD.
Theresa
Well, I believed it was policy they all went to wikibooks; I thought and think that that's a good, clear policy; and not one that hampers changing the policy later if other thoughts prevail.
When did that become policy? Some of the recipes have been there more than two years. The first that I knew about the moves was two days ago when the matter came up on the mailing list.
It seems that some proposed policy statements get posted on an obscure page, and if nobody notices it for some period of time (which is often of reasonable length) it's assumed that silence is consent. When a newbie comes along and reads it, he understandably interprets the statement as though it were policy. He proceeds to quite innocently act upon it, and set off a firestorm from the old-timers who never heard of this rule.
Wikipedia and it's related projects have become a huge undertaking where many contributors work away quietly in their own limited area of interest and expertise. Those contributors don't spend a lot of time analyzing a lot of rules; they want even less to be involved in rancorous debates about whether something should be deleted. For me the matters that come up on the mailing lists combined with administrative duties at Wiktionary and Wikisource are more than enough to satisfy any cravings that I might have for bureaucratic participation.
Those with a passion for rule making need to understand the human consequences of their rule-making. Today's rules fill many pages, and that is not to anybody's advantage.
Ec
Ray Saintonge wrote
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Those with a passion for rule making need to understand the human consequences of their rule-making. Today's rules fill many pages, and that is not to anybody's advantage.
Actually if you write that 'WP is to a large extent self-organizing, and it is not easy to get an overview', it strikes me as more truthfully said, and less a reason to be doomy.
Charles
Charles Matthews a écrit:
I really don't think it matters if recipes and other how to's are on
wikipedia or on wikibooks, as long as they are not deleted totally. Can we come to some agreement on what to do and just do it. I would like a policy in place so that they don't keep getting listed on VfD.
Theresa
Well, I believed it was policy they all went to wikibooks; I thought and think that that's a good, clear policy; and not one that hampers changing the policy later if other thoughts prevail.
Charles
No, there is no policy on the matter. It seems it was agreed upon among the couple of people doing transwiki and vfd users. In short, that is an assumed consensus among a couple of people who care about the matter, and want wikibook to progress (which is something I certainly support :-))
But I fear this supposed policy, is clearly not consensual at all.