The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go to this site.
I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like this:
"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
but really the article mentioned above should be renamed to something like [[F... Amal]] or something
-- Ilya N.
Ilya-
The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go to this site.
I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like this:
"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
Now that is an issue we haven't discussed at any length yet. I invite further comments ;-)
Regards,
Erik
Erik Moeller wrote:
Ilya-
The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go to this site.
I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like this:
"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
Now that is an issue we haven't discussed at any length yet. I invite further comments ;-)
Regards,
Erik
well the boilerplate text should go on articles such as:
[[goatse.cx]] [[shock site]] [[sex]] etc.
Erik Moeller wrote:
Ilya-
The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go to this site.
I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like this:
"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
Now that is an issue we haven't discussed at any length yet. I invite further comments ;-)
The correct title should be [[Fucking Åmål]]. Every other movie is referred to by its title, why should this be an exception.
Ec.
Eclecticology wrote:
The correct title should be [[Fucking �m�l]]. Every other movie is referred to by its title, why should this be an exception.
Current conventions already dictate the Swedish name. Contrary discussion on the talk page is out of date. See [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)]]. I'll go move it now.
-- Toby
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 02:45:08PM -0500, Ilya N. wrote:
The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go to this site.
I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like this:
"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
but really the article mentioned above should be renamed to something like [[F... Amal]] or something
The film is not named F... Amal. The title should match the film's name. And despite the f-word that *every* kid already knows about before reading wikipedia, I can't find anything offensive.
JeLuF
Jens Frank wrote:
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 02:45:08PM -0500, Ilya N. wrote:
The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go to this site.
I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like this:
"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
but really the article mentioned above should be renamed to something like [[F... Amal]] or something
The film is not named F... Amal. The title should match the film's name. And despite the f-word that *every* kid already knows about before reading wikipedia, I can't find anything offensive.
JeLuF
well then, why don't we just start saying the word every single sentence
hello, ****, mister
I hate you, ****
just because everybody knows it doesn't mean we should use it...
oh well...
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 04:19:47PM -0500, Ilya N. wrote:
Jens Frank wrote:
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 02:45:08PM -0500, Ilya N. wrote:
The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go to this site.
I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like this:
"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
but really the article mentioned above should be renamed to something like [[F... Amal]] or something
The film is not named F... Amal. The title should match the film's name. And despite the f-word that *every* kid already knows about before reading wikipedia, I can't find anything offensive.
JeLuF
well then, why don't we just start saying the word every single sentence
hello, ****, mister
I hate you, ****
just because everybody knows it doesn't mean we should use it...
oh well...
That's a straw men you're hitting here. The film has been named Fucking Amal by its creator. That's a fact. Like it or not.
It's not used in every sentence. It's used once in the title and once in the first sentence. And it has to, since that's the name of the film.
Or do you want to change all places where a certain American President is mentioned to G***** W. B*** just because some people might be offended by reading his name? (Yes, this is a straw man, too)
JeLuF
Jens Frank wrote:
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 04:19:47PM -0500, Ilya N. wrote:
Jens Frank wrote:
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 02:45:08PM -0500, Ilya N. wrote:
The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go to this site.
I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like this:
"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
but really the article mentioned above should be renamed to something like [[F... Amal]] or something
The film is not named F... Amal. The title should match the film's name. And despite the f-word that *every* kid already knows about before reading wikipedia, I can't find anything offensive.
JeLuF
well then, why don't we just start saying the word every single sentence
hello, ****, mister
I hate you, ****
just because everybody knows it doesn't mean we should use it...
oh well...
That's a straw men you're hitting here. The film has been named Fucking Amal by its creator. That's a fact. Like it or not.
It's not used in every sentence. It's used once in the title and once in the first sentence. And it has to, since that's the name of the film.
Or do you want to change all places where a certain American President is mentioned to G***** W. B*** just because some people might be offended by reading his name? (Yes, this is a straw man, too)
JeLuF
My thing was in response to yours. Just because we all know it...doesn't mean we should use it...
At 04:19 PM 6/20/03 -0500, Ilya wrote:
Jens Frank wrote:
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 02:45:08PM -0500, Ilya N. wrote:
The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go to this site.
I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like this:
"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
but really the article mentioned above should be renamed to something like [[F... Amal]] or something
The film is not named F... Amal. The title should match the film's name. And despite the f-word that *every* kid already knows about before reading wikipedia, I can't find anything offensive. JeLuF
well then, why don't we just start saying the word every single sentence
hello, ****, mister
Because what is offensive depends on context. A detailed description of many bodily functions is inappropriate at the dinner table, but may be necessary at the doctor's office.
Yes, children may well be looking at Wikipedia. They're unlikely to find the "Fucking Amal" article unless they're looking for it--and if they're looking for it they already know the title of the movie--or looking for "fuck", in which case they may be annoyed to find an article about a movie instead of about sex, but not offended in the sense you probably mean.
On 6/20/03 3:45 PM, "Ilya N." ilyanep@yahoo.com wrote:
The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go to this site.
I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like this:
"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
but really the article mentioned above should be renamed to something like [[F... Amal]] or something
No. You should become more conversant with established Wikipedia policy on such issues.
The Cunctator wrote:
On 6/20/03 3:45 PM, "Ilya N." ilyanep@yahoo.com wrote:
The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go to this site.
I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like this:
"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
but really the article mentioned above should be renamed to something like [[F... Amal]] or something
No. You should become more conversant with established Wikipedia policy on such issues.
Ok, ok, I get them message
Ilya N. wrote:
The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go to this site.
I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like this:
"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
but really the article mentioned above should be renamed to something like [[F... Amal]] or something
This post demonstrates one reason why �You simply haven't been here long enough.� is a legitimate reason to hesitate in making somebody an admin. Despite having been here a month, Ilya is unfamiliar with things that have been discussed a great deal recently. He might have applied sysop powers in such a situation; limiting admin privileges is in most cases a matter of limiting them to people that are well familiar with Wikipedia; limiting the damage by problematic users is a rarer benefit.
Let me note that while I'm picking on a post by Ilya, the only conclusion that I want to draw is a general one. Ilya did /not/ use his admin powers, or even ordinary powers, to change this -- instead he brought it up on the list. So I'm not questioning the fitness of Ilya in particular to be an admin!
Anyway Ilya, you'll want to discuss this at [[Wikipedia talk:Content disclaimer]].
-- Toby
Toby Bartels wrote:
Ilya N. wrote:
The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go to this site.
I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like this:
"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
but really the article mentioned above should be renamed to something like [[F... Amal]] or something
This post demonstrates one reason why ?You simply haven't been here long enough.? is a legitimate reason to hesitate in making somebody an admin. Despite having been here a month, Ilya is unfamiliar with things that have been discussed a great deal recently. He might have applied sysop powers in such a situation; limiting admin privileges is in most cases a matter of limiting them to people that are well familiar with Wikipedia; limiting the damage by problematic users is a rarer benefit.
Let me note that while I'm picking on a post by Ilya, the only conclusion that I want to draw is a general one. Ilya did /not/ use his admin powers, or even ordinary powers, to change this -- instead he brought it up on the list. So I'm not questioning the fitness of Ilya in particular to be an admin!
Anyway Ilya, you'll want to discuss this at [[Wikipedia talk:Content disclaimer]].
-- Toby
well, I /could have/ used whatever powers I was granted as an admin, however I didn't, how is this bad. With simple correction I can learn, not from such a tone in messages as if you're attacking me. I'm not as stupid as many people in the word nowadays
--Ilya
At 08:02 AM 6/21/2003, you wrote:
Toby Bartels wrote:
Ilya N. wrote:
The article [[Fucking Amal]] should be changed...I know many kids who go to this site.
I would like to also propose a boilerplate text that says something like this:
"WARNING: This article may countain offensive, or adult articles and links"
but really the article mentioned above should be renamed to something like [[F... Amal]] or something
This post demonstrates one reason why ?You simply haven't been here long enough.? is a legitimate reason to hesitate in making somebody an admin. Despite having been here a month, Ilya is unfamiliar with things that have been discussed a great deal recently. He might have applied sysop powers in such a situation; limiting admin privileges is in most cases a matter of limiting them to people that are well familiar with Wikipedia; limiting the damage by problematic users is a rarer benefit. Let me note that while I'm picking on a post by Ilya, the only conclusion that I want to draw is a general one. Ilya did /not/ use his admin powers, or even ordinary powers, to change this -- instead he brought it up on the list. So I'm not questioning the fitness of Ilya in particular to be an admin! Anyway Ilya, you'll want to discuss this at [[Wikipedia talk:Content disclaimer]].
-- Toby
well, I /could have/ used whatever powers I was granted as an admin, however I didn't, how is this bad. With simple correction I can learn, not from such a tone in messages as if you're attacking me. I'm not as stupid as many people in the word nowadays
--Ilya
Ilya, Toby was very careful NOT to attack you, he was simply making a point about people in /general/ not being aware of existing convention after only a month. Reread his post and I think you'll agree. Toby actually commended you for doing what you did, bringing it to the list. :)
----- Dante Alighieri dalighieri@digitalgrapefruit.com
"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of great moral crisis." -Dante Alighieri, 1265-1321
Ilya N. wrote:
Toby Bartels wrote:
Let me note that while I'm picking on a post by Ilya, the only conclusion that I want to draw is a general one. Ilya did /not/ use his admin powers, or even ordinary powers, to change this -- instead he brought it up on the list. So I'm not questioning the fitness of Ilya in particular to be an admin!
well, I /could have/ used whatever powers I was granted as an admin, however I didn't, how is this bad. With simple correction I can learn, not from such a tone in messages as if you're attacking me. I'm not as stupid as many people in the word nowadays
It's not the least bit bad -- that's exactly what I said. If my post sounded like attacking you, then I apologise for being unclear. The post was about the validity of certain objections once raised against your becoming an admin, not about your being an admin itself.
-- Toby