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I just want to throw this onlist *before* doing anything on wiki to see what kind of thoughts are out there.
I would be interested in an extension of the BLP policy to go as far as, those who explicitly op out, can have their biography removed for the duration of their life. This I base on the number of complaints on site and off site (via our otrs mechanism, for example). Keep in mind, the English Wikipedia will be around for ages. Thoughts?
Best,
Jon-
What would we do if say George bush asks. I don't think you can do this as a broad all blps can do this.
On 12/28/08, Jon scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
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I just want to throw this onlist *before* doing anything on wiki to see what kind of thoughts are out there.
I would be interested in an extension of the BLP policy to go as far as, those who explicitly op out, can have their biography removed for the duration of their life. This I base on the number of complaints on site and off site (via our otrs mechanism, for example). Keep in mind, the English Wikipedia will be around for ages. Thoughts?
Best,
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I see your point. Perhaps along the same lines, hard criteria for marginal notability, something we can all live with. And for those "marginally notable by our standards, an explicit opt out?
Wilhelm Schnotz wrote:
What would we do if say George bush asks. I don't think you can do this as a broad all blps can do this.
On 12/28/08, Jon scream@datascreamer.com wrote: I just want to throw this onlist *before* doing anything on wiki to see what kind of thoughts are out there.
I would be interested in an extension of the BLP policy to go as far as, those who explicitly op out, can have their biography removed for the duration of their life. This I base on the number of complaints on site and off site (via our otrs mechanism, for example). Keep in mind, the English Wikipedia will be around for ages. Thoughts?
Best,
Jon-
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Jon scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
I would be interested in an extension of the BLP policy to go as far as, those who explicitly op out, can have their biography removed for the duration of their life.
It was suggested before - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographical_optout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Biographical_optout/Archive_1
Angela
In the end, BLP is not one of our five pillars. The fact that we are an encyclopedia is.
bibliomaniac15
--- On Sun, 12/28/08, Jon scream@datascreamer.com wrote: From: Jon scream@datascreamer.com Subject: [WikiEN-l] Biography of Living persons To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 6:57 PM
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I just want to throw this onlist *before* doing anything on wiki to see what kind of thoughts are out there.
I would be interested in an extension of the BLP policy to go as far as, those who explicitly op out, can have their biography removed for the duration of their life. This I base on the number of complaints on site and off site (via our otrs mechanism, for example). Keep in mind, the English Wikipedia will be around for ages. Thoughts?
Best,
Jon-
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Debate and disagreement is always to be expected when we get to the level of specifc improvements that we should make to address BLP issues. But this response really does not sufficiently take into account the profound impact that our coverage has on the subjects of our articles.
It bears emphasis once again that almost invariably, if Wikipedia has an article on a living person that article will become the FIRST search-engine result on a search for that person's name.
See also my comments on the on-wiki discussion of semiprotecting BLPs and related issues, where I present a string of basic facts and assumptions that color my view of this and related matters.
Newyorkbrad
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Scientia Potentia est < bibliomaniac_15@yahoo.com> wrote:
In the end, BLP is not one of our five pillars. The fact that we are an encyclopedia is.
bibliomaniac15
--- On Sun, 12/28/08, Jon scream@datascreamer.com wrote: From: Jon scream@datascreamer.com Subject: [WikiEN-l] Biography of Living persons To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 6:57 PM
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I just want to throw this onlist *before* doing anything on wiki to see what kind of thoughts are out there.
I would be interested in an extension of the BLP policy to go as far as, those who explicitly op out, can have their biography removed for the duration of their life. This I base on the number of complaints on site and off site (via our otrs mechanism, for example). Keep in mind, the English Wikipedia will be around for ages. Thoughts?
Best,
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2008/12/29 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) newyorkbrad@gmail.com:
See also my comments on the on-wiki discussion of semiprotecting BLPs and related issues, where I present a string of basic facts and assumptions that color my view of this and related matters.
Flagged revs would solve many more problems than general protection would.
- d.
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Scientia Potentia est bibliomaniac_15@yahoo.com wrote:
In the end, BLP is not one of our five pillars. The fact that we are an encyclopedia is.
bibliomaniac15
And like anything on Wikipedia, "subject to change". Who says we can't have Six Pillars?
- Joe
2008/12/29 Joe Szilagyi szilagyi@gmail.com:
And like anything on Wikipedia, "subject to change". Who says we can't have Six Pillars?
I'm thinking now of the scene in Robocop 2 where they come up with 347 basic directives for Robocop.
- d.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:42 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2008/12/29 Joe Szilagyi szilagyi@gmail.com:
And like anything on Wikipedia, "subject to change". Who says we can't have Six Pillars?
I'm thinking now of the scene in Robocop 2 where they come up with 347 basic directives for Robocop.
- d.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/ED-209
- Joe
2008/12/29 Joe Szilagyi szilagyi@gmail.com:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:42 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2008/12/29 Joe Szilagyi szilagyi@gmail.com:
And like anything on Wikipedia, "subject to change". Who says we can't have Six Pillars?
I'm thinking now of the scene in Robocop 2 where they come up with 347 basic directives for Robocop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/ED-209
347 basic directives does resemble the question barrage in a lot of RFAs ;-)
- d.
And what might you suggest as a sixth pillar in terms of this issue?
bibliomaniac15
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On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Scientia Potentia est bibliomaniac_15@yahoo.com wrote:
In the end, BLP is not one of our five pillars. The fact that we are an
encyclopedia is.
bibliomaniac15
And like anything on Wikipedia, "subject to change". Who says we can't have Six Pillars?
- Joe
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On 12/29/08, Joe Szilagyi szilagyi@gmail.com wrote:
And like anything on Wikipedia, "subject to change". Who says we can't have Six Pillars?
Why not five marble pillars and five plastic ones, depending on the topic?
—C.W.
On Dec 28, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Jon wrote:
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I just want to throw this onlist *before* doing anything on wiki to see what kind of thoughts are out there.
I would be interested in an extension of the BLP policy to go as far as, those who explicitly op out, can have their biography removed for the duration of their life. This I base on the number of complaints on site and off site (via our otrs mechanism, for example). Keep in mind, the English Wikipedia will be around for ages. Thoughts?
I see no reason why our current method of taking requests to opt out seriously, but not treating them as binding is flawed.
-Phil