Yesterday I opened a discussion forum called "The WikBack" for public use. It is intended to be an alternative to wikien-l for those who prefer the organization and participation style of a web-based forum. You do not need to register to read posts. Registration is available to anyone who has an account on ENWP.
The WikBack is advertising free. I am paying the hosting fees out of my own pocket.
Please consider participating.
UninvitedCompany
Fantastic, that's really appreciated and thanks for backing the project financially! AGK
On 28/12/2007, The Uninvited Co., Inc uninvited@nerstrand.net wrote:
Yesterday I opened a discussion forum called "The WikBack" for public use. It is intended to be an alternative to wikien-l for those who prefer the organization and participation style of a web-based forum. You do not need to register to read posts. Registration is available to anyone who has an account on ENWP.
The WikBack is advertising free. I am paying the hosting fees out of my own pocket.
Please consider participating.
UninvitedCompany
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Had some troubles registering my name as 'E' so I have to be known as 'E_enwiki'.
- E
-------------------------------------------------- From: "The Uninvited Co., Inc" uninvited@nerstrand.net Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 6:53 AM To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Discussion forum - The WikBack
Yesterday I opened a discussion forum called "The WikBack" for public use. It is intended to be an alternative to wikien-l for those who prefer the organization and participation style of a web-based forum. You do not need to register to read posts. Registration is available to anyone who has an account on ENWP.
The WikBack is advertising free. I am paying the hosting fees out of my own pocket.
Please consider participating.
UninvitedCompany
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Strange... I was already confirmed, but I didn't click the link yet.
On Dec 28, 2007 6:21 PM, E e.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Had some troubles registering my name as 'E' so I have to be known as 'E_enwiki'.
- E
From: "The Uninvited Co., Inc" uninvited@nerstrand.net Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 6:53 AM To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Discussion forum - The WikBack
Yesterday I opened a discussion forum called "The WikBack" for public use. It is intended to be an alternative to wikien-l for those who prefer the organization and participation style of a web-based forum. You do not need to register to read posts. Registration is available to anyone who has an account on ENWP.
The WikBack is advertising free. I am paying the hosting fees out of my own pocket.
Please consider participating.
UninvitedCompany
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On Dec 28, 2007 3:53 PM, The Uninvited Co., Inc uninvited@nerstrand.net wrote:
Yesterday I opened a discussion forum called "The WikBack" for public use. It is intended to be an alternative to wikien-l for those who prefer the organization and participation style of a web-based forum. You do not need to register to read posts. Registration is available to anyone who has an account on ENWP.
The WikBack is advertising free. I am paying the hosting fees out of my own pocket.
Please consider participating.
UninvitedCompany
A good idea, UC; forums are usually better at threaded conversation and
it is much easier to correct things when folks go off-topic.
Now please, I say this in good faith: You might want to beef up that privacy policy. Most message boards include statements like not sharing IP addresses with third parties unless required by law, not selling the mailing list, explicitly stating that one's email address will be visible to other users (like it is here on wiki-en-l), etc. They could be built into the registration form, as an alternative. I'm offering these suggestions because privacy is a concern to a lot of people who have an interest in Wikipedia (whether registered users or not), and these questions are likely to recur.
Would I be correct in assuming that the only parallel between this forum and Wikipedia will be the requirement to use one's WP editor name? Does it matter what the WP status of that name is (i.e., indefinitely banned users not invited)?
I figured I'd ask these questions here so you have a chance to respond to the broader audience - one more opportunity to bump this thread to the top!
Thanks Risker
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On 28/12/2007, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Now please, I say this in good faith: You might want to beef up that privacy policy. Most message boards include statements like not sharing IP addresses with third parties unless required by law, not selling the mailing list, explicitly stating that one's email address will be visible to other users (like it is here on wiki-en-l), etc. They could be built into the registration form, as an alternative. I'm offering these suggestions because privacy is a concern to a lot of people who have an interest in Wikipedia (whether registered users or not), and these questions are likely to recur.
UC's been a Wikipedian since it was wikipedia.com, and I'd trust him with all sorts of evil details. But I'm sure there's wording out there for a suitable privacy policy all ready to use, and pointers would be most useful.
(I occasionally wonder at how valuable wikien-l is, and have recently considered roughly fortnightly asking the other listmods to with me ask the Foundation to shut the thing as less useful than nothing. It's been better in the last few months, but still not quite fit for human consumption. I dunno.)
- d.
- d.
On 28/12/2007, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
A good idea, UC; forums are usually better at threaded conversation and
it is much easier to correct things when folks go off-topic.
A bad idea. Forums are manifestly inferior to email, which can be read from anywhere using a number of methods, instead of having to go to a site and use some hateful forum software. Not that I feel the need to post here often, but it offers more value than any forum can. I certainly won't be joining.
I hate email and think the reverse is true - I would be far more willing to discuss things on a forum than on this mailing list.
On Jan 1, 2008 6:52 PM, Earle Martin wikipedia@downlode.org wrote:
On 28/12/2007, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
A good idea, UC; forums are usually better at threaded conversation
and
it is much easier to correct things when folks go off-topic.
A bad idea. Forums are manifestly inferior to email, which can be read from anywhere using a number of methods, instead of having to go to a site and use some hateful forum software. Not that I feel the need to post here often, but it offers more value than any forum can. I certainly won't be joining.
-- Earle Martin http://downlode.org/ http://purl.org/net/earlemartin/
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What is needed is a forum which can be easily accessed (both read and write) through email. I'd be somewhat shocked if such a thing didn't exist.
On Jan 1, 2008 2:40 PM, Violet/Riga violetriga@gmail.com wrote:
I hate email and think the reverse is true - I would be far more willing to discuss things on a forum than on this mailing list.
On Jan 1, 2008 6:52 PM, Earle Martin wikipedia@downlode.org wrote:
On 28/12/2007, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
A good idea, UC; forums are usually better at threaded conversation
and
it is much easier to correct things when folks go off-topic.
A bad idea. Forums are manifestly inferior to email, which can be read from anywhere using a number of methods, instead of having to go to a site and use some hateful forum software. Not that I feel the need to post here often, but it offers more value than any forum can. I certainly won't be joining.
-- Earle Martin http://downlode.org/ http://purl.org/net/earlemartin/
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On Jan 1, 2008 1:52 PM, Earle Martin wikipedia@downlode.org wrote:
On 28/12/2007, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
A good idea, UC; forums are usually better at threaded conversation and
it is much easier to correct things when folks go off-topic.
A bad idea. Forums are manifestly inferior to email, which can be read from anywhere using a number of methods, instead of having to go to a site and use some hateful forum software. Not that I feel the need to post here often, but it offers more value than any forum can. I certainly won't be joining.
I think the biggest advantage of email lists is that I can access all of them in one place. I'm subscribed to about a dozen different mailing lists which I can access all at once under the "mailing lists" label in gmail. So I get threads from Larry Sanger's SharedKnowing mailing list (http://mail.citizendium.org/mailman/listinfo/sharedknowing) mixed with threads from the Tor mailing list or-talk (http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/) mixed with threads from the Tampa linux user group (http://slug.archives.nks.net/List/) mixed with threads from the OpenStreetMap mailing list, etc. I can search all of these from one location, no one can delete messages on them out from under me, I find it very convenient. If I want to read one of the mailing lists individually I can do that too, but I pretty much never do this. I guess some people wouldn't like this, but for me it's almost essential.
When Citizendium switched their mailing list to forums and made their mailing list announce-only, my participation fell off dramatically. I've recently tried setting up their forums to send me an email whenever a new thread on the forums is started, but it isn't working very well. Gmail doesn't thread it properly, I have to mark each thread I want to follow separately, I lose the messages between the first and whenever I marked the thread. It doesn't work.
In theory there should be a way to get the best of both worlds, though. Just let me set a flag on the forum to send me an email every time a message is added, properly titled and referenced for any email program which handles threading, and let me reply to the messages by email (and pick up the references or whatever in the email header to direct the message to the right spot in the forums).
On 12/28/07, The Uninvited Co., Inc uninvited@nerstrand.net wrote:
Please consider participating.
I filled out the registration form but when I followed the link, in the verification email, it said it couldn't find my email. Does this have something to do with accounts having to be manually approved?