Jimbo asked:
I genuinely want to know what arguments are being made in his favor, and by whom, and for what reason.
Eg:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Wik2
172 and Danny in particular. To a perhaps lesser extent, Baldhur, Meelar, Dissident, RickK, Secretlondon, Sam Spade.
That's just on one page. There are lots of other discussion pages, of course, but reading through that should give you a pretty good insight into the relevant discussion. Happy reading! :)
Erik wrote:
I have to say that if they cannot solve this problem [of Wik], I must consider the
arbitration process broken.
With the best will in the the world, the arbitration committee is not going to magically turn Wikipedia into a place of sweetness and light, nor is it going to reform troublesome users into paragons of righteousness. A fair, unbiased, and accurate banning process is probably part of the puzzle, but it is actually quite a small part. Other parts might include:
* Technical measures of various sorts (anti-puppet, anti-revert, anti-edit war, anti-anon edit, etc) * Better policies and guidelines in general * Good mediation for problems * Some form of content arbitration, possibly votes, possibly something else * Bold editing * Better policies for allowing bans of various lengths that don't require the committee. * Culture change * Multiple independent versions of controversial articles * yada * yada * yada
As an arbitrator, I'm entirely happy to enforce whatever rules you folks decide on, and if those rules make the committee obsolete, that would be absolutely fine.
-Martin
Highly recommended. For example there is no reason there cannot be a Danzig article and a Gdansk article, one dealing mostly with with Danzig as a German city, the other with the modern Polish city. Likewise with cities and villages which were formerly German, for example Hoffnungstal and Cebrikove, the German and Ukrainian names for the village my family came from. The same physical place, but a whole new group of people and a new culture.
This is, of course, the Wikinfo formula, but no reason Wikipedia can't adopt it to reduce some conflict.
Fred
From: "Martin Harper" martin@myreddice.freeserve.co.uk Reply-To: martin@myreddice.co.uk, English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 20:48:31 +0100 To: wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Wik and a not-quite-proposal for constitutional change
- Multiple independent versions of controversial articles
I can't really say that I'm a Wik fan, but in THAT PARTICULAR CASE, it was Cantus that was at fault.
RickK
Martin Harper martin@myreddice.freeserve.co.uk wrote: Jimbo asked:
I genuinely want to know what arguments are being made in his favor, and by whom, and for what reason.
Eg:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Wik2
172 and Danny in particular. To a perhaps lesser extent, Baldhur, Meelar, Dissident, RickK, Secretlondon, Sam Spade.
That's just on one page. There are lots of other discussion pages, of course, but reading through that should give you a pretty good insight into the relevant discussion. Happy reading! :)
Erik wrote:
I have to say that if they cannot solve this problem [of Wik], I must consider the
arbitration process broken.
With the best will in the the world, the arbitration committee is not going to magically turn Wikipedia into a place of sweetness and light, nor is it going to reform troublesome users into paragons of righteousness. A fair, unbiased, and accurate banning process is probably part of the puzzle, but it is actually quite a small part. Other parts might include:
* Technical measures of various sorts (anti-puppet, anti-revert, anti-edit war, anti-anon edit, etc) * Better policies and guidelines in general * Good mediation for problems * Some form of content arbitration, possibly votes, possibly something else * Bold editing * Better policies for allowing bans of various lengths that don't require the committee. * Culture change * Multiple independent versions of controversial articles * yada * yada * yada
As an arbitrator, I'm entirely happy to enforce whatever rules you folks decide on, and if those rules make the committee obsolete, that would be absolutely fine.
-Martin _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs