RickK wrote: No, no, no, no, no! Kill that obnoxious Cleanup proposal. It's impossible to understand
1. Copy article wikilink. 2. Visit cleanup 3. Edit 4. Move to line above first entry 5. paste wikilink 6. Type " nominate for VfD in 2 weeks. ~~~~" 7. Save.
Optional:
8. Look for a VfD nominated page with a date 2 weeks ago and not nominated by you and look at it. List it on VfD if it still looks as though it needs it. 9. If you don't think it needs it, drop a note to the lister sayin that it looks OK now so you've removed it from cleanup and ask them to list it on cleanup as a "second listing" if they still think it needs work. 10. If it's a second listing, follow step 9 but suggest VfD instead of cleanup.
Optional, desirable:
11. Scan cleanup to see if there's a page which interests you and fix it or post a note to the primary author(s) which politely reminds them of the page. If they are a newbie, suggest what is needed to fix it and point them to a good example, help articles and your talk page as a way for them to ask for more help. If the page no longer needs work and isn't a deletion candidate, remove it from cleanup.
and unworkable.
Why is what I just described more unworkable than the current VfD process? Is it more or less likely to help and encourage newbies than a VfD listing?
--- user_Jamesday user_Jamesday@myrealbox.com wrote:
- Type " nominate for VfD in 2 weeks. ~~~~"
Actually we want to keep comments brief as possible -- so just VFD is always fine. Also, just use ~~~ -- not ~~~~. Saves space.
- If it's a second listing, follow step 9 but
suggest VfD instead of cleanup.
Exactly -- the Cleanup process is a separate track, but parallel to the VFD process. Sysops can delete junk all they want, but Cleanup at least implies a different intent --that pages in one way or another can be "cleaned up." Which is a nice idea, WP being a wiki and all...
Cleanup is like PNA only with a better name, and the implied fact that there is some junk there. Say I have to leave in two minutes, and I dont have time to cache the entire VFD page - Ill throw it on WP:CU. VFD is where people like Kurt Kawohl hang out. Thats the way I think of it. ;)
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Gee, I don't know. 10 steps instead of 1. Wow, how easy is that?
RickK
user_Jamesday user_Jamesday@myrealbox.com wrote:
RickK wrote: No, no, no, no, no! Kill that obnoxious Cleanup proposal. It's impossible to understand
1. Copy article wikilink. 2. Visit cleanup 3. Edit 4. Move to line above first entry 5. paste wikilink 6. Type " nominate for VfD in 2 weeks. ~~~~" 7. Save.
Optional:
8. Look for a VfD nominated page with a date 2 weeks ago and not nominated by you and look at it. List it on VfD if it still looks as though it needs it. 9. If you don't think it needs it, drop a note to the lister sayin that it looks OK now so you've removed it from cleanup and ask them to list it on cleanup as a "second listing" if they still think it needs work. 10. If it's a second listing, follow step 9 but suggest VfD instead of cleanup.
Optional, desirable:
11. Scan cleanup to see if there's a page which interests you and fix it or post a note to the primary author(s) which politely reminds them of the page. If they are a newbie, suggest what is needed to fix it and point them to a good example, help articles and your talk page as a way for them to ask for more help. If the page no longer needs work and isn't a deletion candidate, remove it from cleanup.
and unworkable.
Why is what I just described more unworkable than the current VfD process? Is it more or less likely to help and encourage newbies than a VfD listing?
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RickK wrote:
Gee, I don't know. 10 steps instead of 1. Wow, how easy is that?
VfD is down to only 1 step now? Goodness, things have changed!
If you have a serious objection to [[Wikipedia:Cleanup]], then state it. Otherwise, you're just wasting bandwidth (3 posts in a row now).
-- Toby
So when other people attack personally those of us who use Votes for Deletion, it's not wasted bandwidth, but my comments on those attacks are? Besides, I have repeatedly made serious objections to Cleanup, both here and on the Cleanup Talk page. And I am definitely not alone in my objections. Cleanup is merely several layers of bureaucracy with inarticulate explanations as to just what its purpose is, and how to use it.
RickK
Toby Bartels toby+wikipedia@math.ucr.edu wrote: If you have a serious objection to [[Wikipedia:Cleanup]], then state it. Otherwise, you're just wasting bandwidth (3 posts in a row now).
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--- Rick giantsrick13@yahoo.com wrote:
Gee, I don't know. 10 steps instead of 1. Wow, how easy is that?
Why exactly were you made a sysop, Rick? Remind me.
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Oh, and look, another personal attack. How useful.
RickK
Stevertigo utilitymuffinresearch2@yahoo.com wrote:
--- Rick wrote:
Gee, I don't know. 10 steps instead of 1. Wow, how easy is that?
Why exactly were you made a sysop, Rick? Remind me.
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