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David Gerard

14 May 2007 14 May '07

4:34 p.m.

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2007/05/shaping_the_future.html "... and explain why, sooner or later, everyone in this room is going to end up in Wikipedia." - d.

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Andrew Gray

14 May 14 May

4:39 p.m.

On 14/05/07, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2007/05/shaping_the_future.html "... and explain why, sooner or later, everyone in this room is going to end up in Wikipedia."

To be fair, that's meant more as "Wikipedia or its third-generation bastard godchild which we dare not even envisage", rather than a specific assumption about the project... (But, even so, imagine what happens to verifiability and sourcing if everyone's life is published in the primary source, then annotated by third parties? Eww.) -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

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Jeff Raymond

4:43 p.m.

David Gerard wrote:

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2007/05/shaping_the_future.html "... and explain why, sooner or later, everyone in this room is going to end up in Wikipedia."

It's always disappointing to me when outsiders "get it" better than the insiders do these days. -Jeff -- If you can read this, I'm not at home.

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MacGyverMagic/Mgm

7:22 p.m.

On 5/14/07, Jeff Raymond <jeff.raymond(a)internationalhouseofbacon.com> wrote:

David Gerard wrote:

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2007/05/shaping_the_future.html

> "... and explain why, sooner or later, everyone in this room is going > to end up in Wikipedia." It's always disappointing to me when outsiders "get it" better than the insiders do these days. -Jeff

They're not getting it at all. If we lose editorial control and include absolutely everyone, we won't be an encyclopedia any longer. There's nothing stopping people from making a people wiki, but it doesn't have to be Wikipedia. You actually need to have done something noteworthy to be listed here, and there's plenty of people who don't even meet such a basic definition. Mgm

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George Herbert

7:28 p.m.

On 5/14/07, MacGyverMagic/Mgm <macgyvermagic(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 5/14/07, Jeff Raymond <jeff.raymond(a)internationalhouseofbacon.com> wrote:

David Gerard wrote:

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2007/05/shaping_the_future.html

> "... and explain why, sooner or later, everyone in this room is going > to end up in Wikipedia." It's always disappointing to me when outsiders "get it" better than the insiders do these days. -Jeff

They're not getting it at all. If we lose editorial control and include absolutely everyone, we won't be an encyclopedia any longer. There's nothing stopping people from making a people wiki, but it doesn't have to be Wikipedia. You actually need to have done something noteworthy to be listed here, and there's plenty of people who don't even meet such a basic definition. Mgm

Might be an interesting project/experiment to do a notability-not-required en.wikibios.org project or somesuch, with our other editing standards. On the other hand, trying to track down vandals and libel through 300m odd US entries seems daunting. -- -george william herbert george.herbert(a)gmail.com

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Todd Allen

7:36 p.m.

George Herbert wrote:

On 5/14/07, MacGyverMagic/Mgm <macgyvermagic(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 5/14/07, Jeff Raymond <jeff.raymond(a)internationalhouseofbacon.com> wrote:

David Gerard wrote: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2007/05/shaping_the_future.html

"... and explain why, sooner or later, everyone in this room is going to end up in Wikipedia."

It's always disappointing to me when outsiders "get it" better than the insiders do these days. -Jeff

They're not getting it at all. If we lose editorial control and include absolutely everyone, we won't be an encyclopedia any longer. There's nothing stopping people from making a people wiki, but it doesn't have to be Wikipedia. You actually need to have done something noteworthy to be listed here, and there's plenty of people who don't even meet such a basic definition. Mgm

Might be an interesting project/experiment to do a notability-not-required en.wikibios.org project or somesuch, with our other editing standards. On the other hand, trying to track down vandals and libel through 300m odd US entries seems daunting.

That project already exists, actually: http://www.memoryarchive.org/en/MemoryWiki

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MacGyverMagic/Mgm

7:42 p.m.

On 5/14/07, MacGyverMagic/Mgm <macgyvermagic(a)gmail.com> wrote:

They're not getting it at all. If we lose editorial control and include absolutely everyone, we won't be an encyclopedia any longer. There's nothing stopping people from making a people wiki, but it doesn't have to be Wikipedia. You actually need to have done something noteworthy to be listed here, and there's plenty of people who don't even meet such a basic definition. Mgm

No doubt there will always be differences in opinion on what is noteworthy and what isn't, but some things are just never noteworthy or lack the references to back it up. Mgm

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