This is a fascinating article in many respects. It's particularly interesting that Britannica talks about our disclaimer. It's also interesting that they interviewed Larry Sanger, which would make sense in an article about the ancient history of the project, but the casua reader would get the impression from the article that Larry is still around.
I talked to the reporter yesterday, and she was very enthusiastic and knowledgeable. Top quality journalist. But I suspect that some older wikipedia pages somewhere do not properly make clear Larry's role today, nor really his role in the past as a hired employee.
--Jimbo
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Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales wrote:
This is a fascinating article in many respects. It's particularly interesting that Britannica talks about our disclaimer. It's also
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I agree. And funny to;
http://www.bizreport.com/news/7945/
<quote> /Britannica's editors are among those who take a skeptical view, noting that Wikipedia publishes a disclaimer stating that it does not vouch for its own validity. "We very much take responsibility for all the content we include in any of our products," said Britannica editor in chief Dale Hoiberg./ </quote>
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Walter Vermeir wrote:
I find this article kind of weird. Larry Sangers takes issue with the current state of the philosophy articles, some of which he started, claiming they've gone backwards. However, the philosophy articles Larry Sanger started were, at the time he wrote them, by and large, utter crap, essentially cut and pasted from his lecture notes, filled with colloquialisms, outright biases, and no attempt to make them into paragraphs or any sort of coherent style. They're now mostly at least decent. Compare the abysmal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism/Larry%27s_text --- which doesn't even mention the existence of non-reductive physicalism, currently the most active research area! --- with the current http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism, which at least gets its basic definitions reasonably close to correct.
It's also odd that Larry is said to have "co-founded" Wikipedia, which AFAIK he did not.
-Mark
--- Delirium delirium@hackish.org wrote:
It's also odd that Larry is said to have "co-founded" Wikipedia, which AFAIK he did not.
With all due respect, that is an unfounded statement.
"The history of Wikipedia began in a conversation between two old Internet friends, Larry Sanger, editor-in-chief of Nupedia, and Ben Kovitz, a computer programmer and polymath, on the evening of January 2, 2001, in San Diego, California."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia
-- mav
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--- Walter Vermeir walter@wikipedia.be wrote:
I agree. And funny to;
http://www.bizreport.com/news/7945/
<quote> /Britannica's editors are among those who take a skeptical view, noting that Wikipedia publishes a disclaimer stating that it does not vouch for its own validity. "We very much take responsibility for all the content we include in any of our products," said Britannica editor in chief Dale Hoiberg./ </quote>
http://corporate.britannica.com/termsofuse.html
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Somebody should tell the reporter that and ask that the record be set straight.
-- mav
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We should definitely set the record straight; that was on the first page of section E in the Washington Post...
Please help draft a reply here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PR_department/WashPost-20040909#Quotes
You need an email/password to get to the Washington Post site for the original, but you can use mine.
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:30:18 +0200, Walter Vermeir walter@wikipedia.be wrote:
Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales wrote:
This is a fascinating article in many respects. It's particularly interesting that Britannica talks about our disclaimer. It's also
[cut]
I agree. And funny to;
http://www.bizreport.com/news/7945/
<quote> /Britannica's editors are among those who take a skeptical view, noting that Wikipedia publishes a disclaimer stating that it does not vouch for its own validity. "We very much take responsibility for all the content we include in any of our products," said Britannica editor in chief Dale Hoiberg./ </quote>
http://corporate.britannica.com/termsofuse.html
/THE SITE AND ALL INFORMATION, PRODUCTS, AND OTHER CONTENT (INCLUDING THIRD-PARTY INFORMATION, PRODUCTS, AND CONTENT) INCLUDED IN OR ACCESSIBLE FROM THIS SITE ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND (EXPRESS, IMPLIED, AND STATUTORY, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF TITLE AND NONINFRINGEMENT AND THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE), ALL OF WHICH BRITANNICA EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW./ /*YOUR USE OF BRITANNICA.COM IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK.*/
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Oops. I just clicked on that link. :-( Sorry
Stephan