On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
http://xkcd.com/446/ Sean Barrett sean@epoptic.com
Yes, very nice. As ever. The semantics and linking of Wikipedia are often very silly.
Gordo
Holy old thread, Batman! I just want to lament the fact that Randall uses the CC-BY-NC license, so we can't use his stuff.
2008/9/25 Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com:
Holy old thread, Batman! I just want to lament the fact that Randall uses the CC-BY-NC license, so we can't use his stuff.
He's released stuff when we ask nicely for a good reason, e.g.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Xkcd_philosophy.png http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Webcomic_xkcd_-_Wikipedian_protester...
And he is of course [[User:Xkcd]] :-)
- d.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:48 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
He's released stuff when we ask nicely for a good reason, e.g.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Xkcd_philosophy.png
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Webcomic_xkcd_-_Wikipedian_protester...
And he is of course [[User:Xkcd]] :-)
Interesting. The first image doesn't have an OTRS ticket and there's a Spanish version of the second image: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Agitador_wikipedista.png
And I did smile when I read his comment about the Article issues template on his biographical article.
...*And* while starting my search to improve the references on the [[Randall Munroe]] article, I was amazed to find that our own two Wikipedia articles actually have a higher Google rank than the comic itself does!
Someone should probably drop him a line about getting OTRS tickets for "Agitador wikipedista" and "philosophy".
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:48 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
He's released stuff when we ask nicely for a good reason, e.g.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Webcomic_xkcd_-_Wikipedian_protester...
And he is of course [[User:Xkcd]] :-)
Interesting. The first image doesn't have an OTRS ticket and there's a Spanish version of the second image: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Agitador_wikipedista.png
And I did smile when I read his comment about the Article issues template on his biographical article.
...*And* while starting my search to improve the references on the [[Randall Munroe]] article, I was amazed to find that our own two Wikipedia articles actually have a higher Google rank than the comic itself does!
Someone should probably drop him a line about getting OTRS tickets for "Agitador wikipedista" and "philosophy".
-- Elias Friedman A.S., EMT-P elipongo@gmail.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Elipongo
It appears he released it in an edit, since deleted under I8, to [[en:Image:Xkcd philosophy.png]].
2008/9/25 Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com:
Someone should probably drop him a line about getting OTRS tickets for "Agitador wikipedista" and "philosophy".
Why? The former doesn't need his authorisation if it's a derivative of his work, so long as we're clear the original was freely licensed; the latter, well, we seem to have accepted the correlation between RM and the original uploader, so an OTRS permission would be excessive.
On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Andrew Gray wrote:
2008/9/25 Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com:
Someone should probably drop him a line about getting OTRS tickets for "Agitador wikipedista" and "philosophy".
Why? The former doesn't need his authorisation if it's a derivative of his work, so long as we're clear the original was freely licensed; the latter, well, we seem to have accepted the correlation between RM and the original uploader, so an OTRS permission would be excessive.
Nonsense! We must get people who kindly volunteer their time and IP to us to jump through as many hoops as possible! Otherwise we don't know if they're truly committed to helping us.
-Phil
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Philip Sandifer snowspinner@gmail.comwrote:
On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Andrew Gray wrote:
2008/9/25 Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com:
Someone should probably drop him a line about getting OTRS tickets for "Agitador wikipedista" and "philosophy".
Why? The former doesn't need his authorisation if it's a derivative of his work, so long as we're clear the original was freely licensed; the latter, well, we seem to have accepted the correlation between RM and the original uploader, so an OTRS permission would be excessive.
Nonsense! We must get people who kindly volunteer their time and IP to us to jump through as many hoops as possible! Otherwise we don't know if they're truly committed to helping us.
Not at all. This is a creative professional and this is his property. Just like I wouldn't borrow your lawnmower without asking, we should have the same courtesy about his cartoons.
On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Elias Friedman wrote:
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Philip Sandifer <snowspinner@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Andrew Gray wrote:
2008/9/25 Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com:
Someone should probably drop him a line about getting OTRS tickets for "Agitador wikipedista" and "philosophy".
Why? The former doesn't need his authorisation if it's a derivative of his work, so long as we're clear the original was freely licensed; the latter, well, we seem to have accepted the correlation between RM and the original uploader, so an OTRS permission would be excessive.
Nonsense! We must get people who kindly volunteer their time and IP to us to jump through as many hoops as possible! Otherwise we don't know if they're truly committed to helping us.
Not at all. This is a creative professional and this is his property. Just like I wouldn't borrow your lawnmower without asking, we should have the same courtesy about his cartoons.
He edited the image to add the licensing himself!
-Phil
I wonder if XKCD comics might have a good place in the Wikipedia Signpost.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Philip Sandifer snowspinner@gmail.comwrote:
On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Elias Friedman wrote:
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Philip Sandifer <snowspinner@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Andrew Gray wrote:
2008/9/25 Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com:
Someone should probably drop him a line about getting OTRS tickets for "Agitador wikipedista" and "philosophy".
Why? The former doesn't need his authorisation if it's a derivative of his work, so long as we're clear the original was freely licensed; the latter, well, we seem to have accepted the correlation between RM and the original uploader, so an OTRS permission would be excessive.
Nonsense! We must get people who kindly volunteer their time and IP to us to jump through as many hoops as possible! Otherwise we don't know if they're truly committed to helping us.
Not at all. This is a creative professional and this is his property. Just like I wouldn't borrow your lawnmower without asking, we should have the same courtesy about his cartoons.
He edited the image to add the licensing himself!
-Phil
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2008/9/25 Kevin Wong wikipedianmarlith@gmail.com:
I wonder if XKCD comics might have a good place in the Wikipedia Signpost.
Not going to happen. Comic is Randall Munroe's livelihood. He's not going to release complete runs under a free license.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:13 PM, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
2008/9/25 Kevin Wong wikipedianmarlith@gmail.com:
I wonder if XKCD comics might have a good place in the Wikipedia
Signpost.
Not going to happen. Comic is Randall Munroe's livelihood. He's not going to release complete runs under a free license.
I just revamped his article a bit so I have a bit of insight. He actually makes his money off of the merchandise he sells, not the comic. In a lecture he gave at Google he said he even encourages hotlinking to his site because so long as his site is credited (as required by the license) it drives traffic there and he generates more sales.
This is not to say he would do it; but as my father would say, it can't hurt to ask, the most he can say is "no".
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
2008/9/25 Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com:
Someone should probably drop him a line about getting OTRS tickets for "Agitador wikipedista" and "philosophy".
Why? The former doesn't need his authorisation if it's a derivative of his work, so long as we're clear the original was freely licensed; the latter, well, we seem to have accepted the correlation between RM and the original uploader, so an OTRS permission would be excessive.
I'll take your word for it about the derivative work as I'm no copyright expert by any means, more of a belt and suspenders type if I can help it. As for "Philosophy", though, the original uploader was actually Remember the dot. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Remember_the_dot
Anyways, I'm busy getting some good sources for his biography. There's several out there, just need to work them into the article (and do some clean up there too, I can see).
Cheers!
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 14:32 +0100, Andrew Gray wrote:
2008/9/25 Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com:
Someone should probably drop him a line about getting OTRS tickets for "Agitador wikipedista" and "philosophy".
Why? The former doesn't need his authorisation if it's a derivative of his work, so long as we're clear the original was freely licensed;
Um, surely it depends on what license the original was released under (assuming it's copyrighted)?
KTC