It's the exact same wording as the text inserted by the MIT vandal. I asked the person inserting it to give us some information to prove the assertion, and I asked if it was true for the entire world, or only certain cultures. The person declined to do so. Zoe Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)bomis.com> wrote:I have information, and a question... Zoe wrote: INFORMATION: There's a POST at 14/Feb/2003:02:39:10 in the access_logs. This corresponds with an edit by Qcix. The ip address of that edit resolves to scadm28-19231.fas.harvard.edu. QUESTION: This is the disputed text: - * More women than men suffer from [[anorexia]] and [[bulimia]] - * More women than men suffer from [[borderline personality disorder|borderline]], [[histrionic personality disorder]] and [[hysteria]] Are these things not true? Why should they be omitted from the article, if true? _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)wikipedia.org http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day

Bah... this is definitely not a neutral point of view. Many people would even question the existence of "hysteria" as an actual thing rather than a construct created by a largely-male medical establishment, aside from those who would simply question the neutrality of the largely-male medical establishment in deciding when a woman is being "hysterical" and when she is not. Anyway, regardless of whether it's "true" or not, I don't think it's vandalism. Saurabh ------ "[L]iberals and conservatives alike can find catered news that does not challenge their prejudices but rather reinforces them." -- Nicholas Kristof In message <20030214232125.GA16429(a)reactor-core.org>rg>, Jonathan Walther said:

|From: Jonathan Walther <krooger(a)debian.org> |Content-Disposition: inline |Sender: wikien-l-admin(a)wikipedia.org |Reply-To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org |Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:21:25 -0800 | | |--vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd |Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed |Content-Disposition: inline |Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable | |On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 12:32:27PM -0800, Zoe wrote: |> It's the exact same wording as the text inserted by the MIT vandal. I |> asked the person inserting it to give us some information to prove the |> assertion, and I asked if it was true for the entire world, or only |> certain cultures. The person declined to do so. | |The information is not misogynistic, it is true. Labelling this person |a vandal does a disservice to the Wikipedia. The traditional treatment |in the West for hysteria was for the doctor to massage a womans genitals |by hand until she got some relief. The most extreme forms of hysteria |are not seen very much in modern times; some attribute this to a greater |interest in giving sexual satisfaction to women. The milder forms of |hysteria still abound; if males have a propensity for hysteria, it is |socialized out of them at a very young age. | |Jonathan | A misogynist, but not a vandal. Anorexia, bulimia, borderline personality disorder,, and histrionic personality disorder are generally more common in women, according to my wife, the psychotherapist. She adds, however, that hysteria is the NPOV ringer here, being a 19th century diagnosis that is no longer used (nor is the treatment mentioned above). Even in the 19th, men were diagnosed with it, but not given the analogous treatment. More common in men than women: anti-social personality disorder. The prisons are full of them, she says. Also, most psychopaths and sociopaths are men. Tom Parmenter Ortolan88

Jonathan Walther wrote: Jonathan, this person is a true vandal. We aren't talking about a single controversial edit, but an ongoing series of attacks, including cursing and so on. Last Saturday, he was hopping from ip number to ip number, userid to userid, defacing pages left and right. Your toleration of vandalism is noted. --Jimbo

But is anorexia a female-constant in all cultures? Is it even as prevalent in Europe as it is in the US? Zoe Tom Parmenter <tompar(a)world.std.com> wrote:|From: Jonathan Walther |Content-Disposition: inline |Sender: wikien-l-admin(a)wikipedia.org |Reply-To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org |Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:21:25 -0800 | | |--vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd |Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed |Content-Disposition: inline |Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable | |On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 12:32:27PM -0800, Zoe wrote: |> It's the exact same wording as the text inserted by the MIT vandal. I |> asked the person inserting it to give us some information to prove the |> assertion, and I asked if it was true for the entire world, or only |> certain cultures. The person declined to do so. | |The information is not misogynistic, it is true. Labelling this person |a vandal does a disservice to the Wikipedia. The traditional treatment |in the West for hysteria was for the doctor to massage a womans genitals |by hand until she got some relief. The most extreme forms of hysteria |are not seen very much in modern times; some attribute this to a greater |interest in giving sexual satisfaction to women. The milder forms of |hysteria still abound; if males have a propensity for hysteria, it is |socialized out of them at a very young age. | |Jonathan | A misogynist, but not a vandal. Anorexia, bulimia, borderline personality disorder,, and histrionic personality disorder are generally more common in women, according to my wife, the psychotherapist. She adds, however, that hysteria is the NPOV ringer here, being a 19th century diagnosis that is no longer used (nor is the treatment mentioned above). Even in the 19th, men were diagnosed with it, but not given the analogous treatment. More common in men than women: anti-social personality disorder. The prisons are full of them, she says. Also, most psychopaths and sociopaths are men. Tom Parmenter Ortolan88 _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)wikipedia.org http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day