Hi folks, apologies in advance if double-posting to here an [[WP:AN]] is bad, but the following is an email sent by Sam Vaknin, an individual who has had some problems with Wikipedia in the past, to members of some of his mailing lists. The general gist is that he's asking his members to edit [[List of further reading on narcissism and narcissistic personality disorder]], [[Narcissism (psychology)]], and [[Narcissistic personality disorder]]. Of course, some edits will be good, but I think the three articles will see an increase in the number of edits in the next little while, and hence, some higher scrutiny will be beneficial. I posted a chopped-down version to [[WP:AN]], but the following is the full version, minus the usual mailing list footers.
--- Dear members,
Many of you wrote to me to ask why there is no "Sam Vaknin" entry in the Wikipedia (there is an entry for the late and great Tim Field and entries for many other online personalities).
Once, there was a "Sam Vaknin" entry on the Wikipedia.
Anyone can edit Wikipedia entries, so my entry was hijacked by trolls and flamers and consequently, it contained slander and libel.
I had to write many letters to James Wales and to the legal advisor of the Wikipedia (including repeated threats of litigation) to get the entry deleted.
Please do NOT initiate a new entry, as some of you suggested. I do NOT want to be the subject an entry in the Wikipedia.
My deleted entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sam_Vaknin&action=edit
My views about the Wikipedia:
http://samvak.tripod.master.com/texis/master/search/?q=Wikipedia
BUT
There is something you can do.
The Wikipedia entries for Narcissism (Psychology) and Narcissistic Personality Disorder are laughable and contain numerous inaccuracies, urban legends and utter nonsense.
Some parts of the entries are borrowed verbatim from my work (without attribution or credit, without my permission, and despite numerous protests and notices of copyright infringement issued by my publisher). But about 60% of the text require urgent revisions or outright deletion.
Anyone can edit the entries. All you have to do is click on the edit button in the upper navigation bar of the article. You can change the text, add external links, add references to literature, citations, and anything else you deem relevant. I encourage to give it a try.
Click on these links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_further_reading_on_narcissism_and_narci...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_%28psychology%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
Have a great year!
Sam Vaknin
James Wales *shudder*
In any case, if -he- gets his article deleted because he petitioned Jimmy Wales to, then why can't we apply this consistantly?
(You know who I'm talking about.)
On 1/3/07, Deathphoenix originaldeathphoenix@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks, apologies in advance if double-posting to here an [[WP:AN]] is bad, but the following is an email sent by Sam Vaknin, an individual who has had some problems with Wikipedia in the past, to members of some of his mailing lists. The general gist is that he's asking his members to edit [[List of further reading on narcissism and narcissistic personality disorder]], [[Narcissism (psychology)]], and [[Narcissistic personality disorder]]. Of course, some edits will be good, but I think the three articles will see an increase in the number of edits in the next little while, and hence, some higher scrutiny will be beneficial. I posted a chopped-down version to [[WP:AN]], but the following is the full version, minus the usual mailing list footers.
Dear members,
Many of you wrote to me to ask why there is no "Sam Vaknin" entry in the Wikipedia (there is an entry for the late and great Tim Field and entries for many other online personalities).
Once, there was a "Sam Vaknin" entry on the Wikipedia.
Anyone can edit Wikipedia entries, so my entry was hijacked by trolls and flamers and consequently, it contained slander and libel.
I had to write many letters to James Wales and to the legal advisor of the Wikipedia (including repeated threats of litigation) to get the entry deleted.
Please do NOT initiate a new entry, as some of you suggested. I do NOT want to be the subject an entry in the Wikipedia.
My deleted entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sam_Vaknin&action=edit
My views about the Wikipedia:
http://samvak.tripod.master.com/texis/master/search/?q=Wikipedia
BUT
There is something you can do.
The Wikipedia entries for Narcissism (Psychology) and Narcissistic Personality Disorder are laughable and contain numerous inaccuracies, urban legends and utter nonsense.
Some parts of the entries are borrowed verbatim from my work (without attribution or credit, without my permission, and despite numerous protests and notices of copyright infringement issued by my publisher). But about 60% of the text require urgent revisions or outright deletion.
Anyone can edit the entries. All you have to do is click on the edit button in the upper navigation bar of the article. You can change the text, add external links, add references to literature, citations, and anything else you deem relevant. I encourage to give it a try.
Click on these links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_further_reading_on_narcissism_and_narci...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_%28psychology%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
Have a great year!
Sam Vaknin _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
hahaha... perhaps because he asked nicely? Well, that is a question for James Wales and the Wikimedia Foundation.
On 1/3/07, James Hare messedrocker@gmail.com wrote:
James Wales *shudder*
In any case, if -he- gets his article deleted because he petitioned Jimmy Wales to, then why can't we apply this consistantly?
(You know who I'm talking about.)
On 1/3/07, Deathphoenix originaldeathphoenix@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks, apologies in advance if double-posting to here an [[WP:AN]] is bad, but the following is an email sent by Sam Vaknin, an individual who has had some problems with Wikipedia in the past, to members of some of his mailing lists. The general gist is that he's asking his members to edit [[List of further reading on narcissism and narcissistic personality disorder]], [[Narcissism (psychology)]], and [[Narcissistic personality disorder]]. Of course, some edits will be good, but I think the three articles will see an increase in the number of edits in the next little while, and hence, some higher scrutiny will be beneficial. I posted a chopped-down version to [[WP:AN]], but the following is the full
version,
minus the usual mailing list footers.
Dear members,
Many of you wrote to me to ask why there is no "Sam Vaknin" entry in the Wikipedia (there is an entry for the late and great Tim Field and
entries
for many other online personalities).
Once, there was a "Sam Vaknin" entry on the Wikipedia.
Anyone can edit Wikipedia entries, so my entry was hijacked by trolls
and
flamers and consequently, it contained slander and libel.
I had to write many letters to James Wales and to the legal advisor of
the
Wikipedia (including repeated threats of litigation) to get the entry deleted.
Please do NOT initiate a new entry, as some of you suggested. I do NOT want to be the subject an entry in the Wikipedia.
My deleted entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sam_Vaknin&action=edit
My views about the Wikipedia:
http://samvak.tripod.master.com/texis/master/search/?q=Wikipedia
BUT
There is something you can do.
The Wikipedia entries for Narcissism (Psychology) and Narcissistic Personality Disorder are laughable and contain numerous inaccuracies, urban legends and utter nonsense.
Some parts of the entries are borrowed verbatim from my work (without attribution or credit, without my permission, and despite numerous protests and notices of copyright infringement issued by my publisher). But about 60% of the text require urgent revisions or outright deletion.
Anyone can edit the entries. All you have to do is click on the edit button in the upper navigation bar of the article. You can change the text, add external links, add references to literature, citations, and anything
else
you deem relevant. I encourage to give it a try.
Click on these links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_further_reading_on_narcissism_and_narci...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_%28psychology%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
Have a great year!
Sam Vaknin _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Actually, no.
This is something that leaves the Wikipedia/Media foundation with some serious legal problems, if one person's managed to get their bio deleted and another person's having that prevented (I'm pretty sure I know who Mr. Hare is referring to, too).
Parker
On 1/3/07, Deathphoenix originaldeathphoenix@gmail.com wrote:
hahaha... perhaps because he asked nicely? Well, that is a question for James Wales and the Wikimedia Foundation.
On 1/3/07, James Hare messedrocker@gmail.com wrote:
James Wales *shudder*
In any case, if -he- gets his article deleted because he petitioned
Jimmy
Wales to, then why can't we apply this consistantly?
(You know who I'm talking about.)
On 1/3/07, Deathphoenix originaldeathphoenix@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks, apologies in advance if double-posting to here an [[WP:AN]]
is
bad, but the following is an email sent by Sam Vaknin, an individual
who
has had some problems with Wikipedia in the past, to members of some of
his
mailing lists. The general gist is that he's asking his members to
edit
[[List of further reading on narcissism and narcissistic personality disorder]], [[Narcissism (psychology)]], and [[Narcissistic
personality
disorder]]. Of course, some edits will be good, but I think the three articles will see an increase in the number of edits in the next
little
while, and hence, some higher scrutiny will be beneficial. I posted a chopped-down version to [[WP:AN]], but the following is the full
version,
minus the usual mailing list footers.
Dear members,
Many of you wrote to me to ask why there is no "Sam Vaknin" entry in
the
Wikipedia (there is an entry for the late and great Tim Field and
entries
for many other online personalities).
Once, there was a "Sam Vaknin" entry on the Wikipedia.
Anyone can edit Wikipedia entries, so my entry was hijacked by trolls
and
flamers and consequently, it contained slander and libel.
I had to write many letters to James Wales and to the legal advisor of
the
Wikipedia (including repeated threats of litigation) to get the entry deleted.
Please do NOT initiate a new entry, as some of you suggested. I do NOT want to be the subject an entry in the Wikipedia.
My deleted entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sam_Vaknin&action=edit
My views about the Wikipedia:
http://samvak.tripod.master.com/texis/master/search/?q=Wikipedia
BUT
There is something you can do.
The Wikipedia entries for Narcissism (Psychology) and Narcissistic Personality Disorder are laughable and contain numerous inaccuracies, urban legends and utter nonsense.
Some parts of the entries are borrowed verbatim from my work (without attribution or credit, without my permission, and despite numerous protests and notices of copyright infringement issued by my publisher). But
about
60% of the text require urgent revisions or outright deletion.
Anyone can edit the entries. All you have to do is click on the edit button in the upper navigation bar of the article. You can change the text,
add
external links, add references to literature, citations, and anything
else
you deem relevant. I encourage to give it a try.
Click on these links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_further_reading_on_narcissism_and_narci...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_%28psychology%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
Have a great year!
Sam Vaknin _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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On 03/01/07, Parker Peters onmywayoutster@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, no.
This is something that leaves the Wikipedia/Media foundation with some serious legal problems, if one person's managed to get their bio deleted and another person's having that prevented (I'm pretty sure I know who Mr. Hare is referring to, too).
"Serious legal problems" cannot be fantasised into existence; we are under no legal bound to host someone's article or delete someone else's on request. We are not a court system or a legal system, bound by our own precedent; we're a private community with mutable community rules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sam_Vaknin looks like an unambiguous delete decision to me by the community. We did it consistent with our own rules.
And weren't you making a big song and dance about leaving three months ago?
Wait. Disregard my question. Turns up there's no inconsistence -- it's that the guy I was thinking of actually has a darn good article.
On 1/3/07, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
On 03/01/07, Parker Peters onmywayoutster@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, no.
This is something that leaves the Wikipedia/Media foundation with some serious legal problems, if one person's managed to get their bio deleted
and
another person's having that prevented (I'm pretty sure I know who Mr.
Hare
is referring to, too).
"Serious legal problems" cannot be fantasised into existence; we are under no legal bound to host someone's article or delete someone else's on request. We are not a court system or a legal system, bound by our own precedent; we're a private community with mutable community rules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sam_Vaknin looks like an unambiguous delete decision to me by the community. We did it consistent with our own rules.
And weren't you making a big song and dance about leaving three months ago?
--
- Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Yes, the quality of that article is a lot better than this one before it was deleted.
On 1/3/07, James Hare messedrocker@gmail.com wrote:
Wait. Disregard my question. Turns up there's no inconsistence -- it's that the guy I was thinking of actually has a darn good article.
On 1/3/07, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
On 03/01/07, Parker Peters onmywayoutster@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, no.
This is something that leaves the Wikipedia/Media foundation with some serious legal problems, if one person's managed to get their bio
deleted
and
another person's having that prevented (I'm pretty sure I know who Mr.
Hare
is referring to, too).
"Serious legal problems" cannot be fantasised into existence; we are under no legal bound to host someone's article or delete someone else's on request. We are not a court system or a legal system, bound by our own precedent; we're a private community with mutable community rules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sam_Vaknin looks like an unambiguous delete decision to me by the community. We did it consistent with our own rules.
And weren't you making a big song and dance about leaving three months ago?
--
- Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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