Does this mean that at the end of the week, he comes back unbanned?
Note that, in the unlikely event that Wik returns after his ban expires, the other components of the arbitration ruling will still apply. However, there is a broader point. There are roughly three schools of thought:
A) A ban of one month lasts one month, regardless of attempts at evasion. B) A ban of one month requires one month of uninterrupted absence from Wikipedia - any attempt to evade that ban automatically resets the ban timer. Banned users with poor self-control may end up banning themselves indefinately. C) Evading a ban is itself a bannable offence - doing so automatically triples the ban length (after which, (B) applies).
(B) has precedent in that it's how we dealt with Cantus when he evaded a quickpoll ban. I'm unaware of any other precedents on the matter, so I intend to write this into [[wikipedia:banning policy]], and copy this post to the Talk page. Those who favour a different approach are welcome there.
Another issue that has come up in this case is dealing with known users who go on a "vandalism spree", which I believe may apply to at least two people in this case. In the past this has been a quickpoll matter leading to a one day ban, but that process was suspended for 30 days, owing largely to disputes over its application to revert wars, but a sufficiently bold member of the cabal may wish to ressurect it for dealing with vandalism sprees. There may also be an option for sysops to make unilateral judgements to temp-ban following vandalism sprees, even for users who have made a few non-vandalising edits, but I'm not clear on this, so perhaps someone more experienced in vandalism-defence could clue us in?
-Martin
On 05/27/04 19:08, Martin Harper wrote:
C) Evading a ban is itself a bannable offence - doing so automatically triples the ban length (after which, (B) applies).
I would welcome your thoughts on this offer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Iridology&diff=3628508&a...
(User:Irismeister is banned from editing [[Iridology]]; User:Mr-Natural-Health offers to act as a proxy for his edits. Is this different from using an anonymous web proxy?)
- d.
The ban needs to be extended to Mr. Natural Health or anyone else who participates in this kind of evasion.
Fred
From: David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:54:10 +0000 To: martin@myreddice.co.uk, English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] bans and vandalism (was Wik)
On 05/27/04 19:08, Martin Harper wrote:
C) Evading a ban is itself a bannable offence - doing so automatically triples the ban length (after which, (B) applies).
I would welcome your thoughts on this offer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Iridology&diff=3628508&a... 628347
(User:Irismeister is banned from editing [[Iridology]]; User:Mr-Natural-Health offers to act as a proxy for his edits. Is this different from using an anonymous web proxy?)
- d.
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
On 05/27/04 22:42, Fred Bauder wrote:
From: David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au
On 05/27/04 19:08, Martin Harper wrote:
C) Evading a ban is itself a bannable offence - doing so automatically triples the ban length (after which, (B) applies).
I would welcome your thoughts on this offer: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Iridology&diff=3628508&a... 628347 (User:Irismeister is banned from editing [[Iridology]]; User:Mr-Natural-Health offers to act as a proxy for his edits. Is this different from using an anonymous web proxy?)
The ban needs to be extended to Mr. Natural Health or anyone else who participates in this kind of evasion.
I'd have thought so too. So how do we get there from here?
- d.
If the rest of the arbitration committee agrees, it could be added to the Irismeister decree.
Fred
From: David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:55:26 +0000 To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] bans and vandalism (was Wik)
On 05/27/04 22:42, Fred Bauder wrote:
From: David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au
On 05/27/04 19:08, Martin Harper wrote:
C) Evading a ban is itself a bannable offence - doing so automatically triples the ban length (after which, (B) applies).
I would welcome your thoughts on this offer: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Iridology&diff=3628508&a... =3 628347 (User:Irismeister is banned from editing [[Iridology]]; User:Mr-Natural-Health offers to act as a proxy for his edits. Is this different from using an anonymous web proxy?)
The ban needs to be extended to Mr. Natural Health or anyone else who participates in this kind of evasion.
I'd have thought so too. So how do we get there from here?
- d.
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
--- Fred Bauder fredbaud@ctelco.net wrote:
If the rest of the arbitration committee agrees, it could be added to the Irismeister decree.
Fred
I agree.
-- mav
From: David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:55:26 +0000 To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] bans and vandalism (was Wik)
On 05/27/04 22:42, Fred Bauder wrote:
From: David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au
On 05/27/04 19:08, Martin Harper wrote:
C) Evading a ban is itself a bannable offence - doing so automatically triples the ban length (after which, (B) applies).
I would welcome your thoughts on this offer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Iridology&diff=3628508&a...
=3 628347 (User:Irismeister is banned from editing [[Iridology]]; User:Mr-Natural-Health offers to act as a proxy for his edits. Is this different from using an anonymous web proxy?)
The ban needs to be extended to Mr. Natural Health or anyone else who participates in this kind of evasion.
I'd have thought so too. So how do we get there from here?
- d.
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 19:08:11 UTC, "Martin Harper" martin@myreddice.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
Does this mean that at the end of the week, he comes back unbanned?
Note that, in the unlikely event that Wik returns after his ban expires, the other components of the arbitration ruling will still apply. However, there is a broader point. There are roughly three schools of thought:
A) A ban of one month lasts one month, regardless of attempts at evasion. B) A ban of one month requires one month of uninterrupted absence from Wikipedia - any attempt to evade that ban automatically resets the ban timer. Banned users with poor self-control may end up banning themselves indefinately. C) Evading a ban is itself a bannable offence - doing so automatically triples the ban length (after which, (B) applies).
Thanks, that explains it nicely. I was concerned that (C) might require yet another long process -- in fact, it still looks as if it might -- but Wik is now extending his ban one day at a time under (B), so the simple answer to my question is a solid No.
Reservation: The No is as solid as the consensus behind it. But the precedent looks good.
But I just re-read what you say. The "automatically" and "after which" imply that the ban is now 3 weeks, not 1, starting on whatever day he begins to comply. If I've got that right, I'll shut up, because the system is _not_ hopelessly tangled in unnecessarily long procedures.
On Thu, 27 May 2004 20:08:11 +0100, Martin Harper martin@myreddice.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
A) A ban of one month lasts one month, regardless of attempts at evasion. C) Evading a ban is itself a bannable offence - doing so automatically triples the ban length
Aren't these rules contradictory?