In light of comments from Erik (aka Eloquence), Axelboldt, Vicki R., Gutza, Abe, and I hope I haven't left anyone out...
Our next question is:
* Shall we set a date for ending the temporary ban? Or, * Shall we ask Jimbo to endorse a permanent ban?
Ed Poor
Poor, Edmund W wrote:
In light of comments from Erik (aka Eloquence), Axelboldt, Vicki R., Gutza, Abe, and I hope I haven't left anyone out...
Our next question is:
- Shall we set a date for ending the temporary ban? Or,
- Shall we ask Jimbo to endorse a permanent ban?
I vote for unbanning him 24 hours after the original ban was set. Apologies wouldn't hurt either. I am however completely against a permban, all he did was lose it for a moment, I'd like to see who hasn't ever.
Gutza
Poor, Edmund W wrote:
In light of comments from Erik (aka Eloquence), Axelboldt, Vicki R., Gutza, Abe, and I hope I haven't left anyone out...
Our next question is:
- Shall we set a date for ending the temporary ban? Or,
- Shall we ask Jimbo to endorse a permanent ban?
I support 24 hours as the appropriate banning period. This is an otherwise productive Wikipedian who has out-of-control moments.
The disrespectful "Nazipedia" comments should likely be acknowledged as having come in the midst of a rage.
In cases like this we need some kind of a "mentor" system. In this case the mentor could be a person whom RK personally trusts, and to whom he would pay attention. When he shows signs of going out of control, that person could say "STOP" or some other agreed secrt word, and get the appropriate reaction.
Ec
Poor, Edmund W wrote:
- Shall we set a date for ending the temporary ban? Or,
- Shall we ask Jimbo to endorse a permanent ban?
I doubt very much that I would endorse a permanent ban on RK just for this incident. I do think he needs to get a grip, of course. And it seems that Axel Boldt already ended the temporary ban, so it lasted only a few hours, right?
--Jimbo
Poor, Edmund W wrote:
In light of comments from Erik (aka Eloquence), Axelboldt, Vicki R., Gutza, Abe, and I hope I haven't left anyone out...
Our next question is:
- Shall we set a date for ending the temporary ban? Or,
- Shall we ask Jimbo to endorse a permanent ban?
My personal preference would be to unban him in some relatively short period of time (perhaps 2-3 days to allow things to cool down slightly), and dispatch to him an email informing him that he has been unbanned, and is welcome to return in a productive fashion, but will be rebanned if he engages in any vandalism. If he does in fact engage in vandalism again, then I'd support banning him for an indefinite period of time (basically, "permanently," unless he in the future requests to come back and promises to behave, like Lir did). If he chooses not to return at all, then unbanning him does no harm either.
-Mark