On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 05:44:51AM +0100, David Gerard wrote: You're stretching here. WP:V and WP:NOR are en.wikipedia policies, not foundation principles, and could certainly be overridden or overthrown by sufficient consensus. They were established by consensus and derive their authority from consensus anyway. I believe it is the case that en.wp is rare amoung projects in having a verifiability policy at all. One foundation issue that hasn't been mentioned in this discussion is the "wiki process" as a central method of deciding content. - Carl