On 11/27/06, Rob Smith nobs03@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/27/06, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
On Nov 27, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Rob Smith wrote:
On 11/25/06, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
Kiko is still alive. What is this innocent person, who is leading an ordinary life, doing on Wikipedia with false information about him?
Fred
Wow Fred. Another extraordinary coincidence in this case (I count about four now). Turns out Kiko's papers are closer to where I've been sitting and working the past few years than the bathroom I use.
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:E2qQtWlea6gJ:libxml.unm.edu/ rmoa/content/nmu/finished/nmu1mss640bc.html+Francisco+E.+Mart%C3% ADnez+Defense+Committee+(FEMDC),&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3
Looks like I unwittingly may have become another unathorized biographer of another activist.
Now we see it wasn't past associations with Chip Berlet, or the NLG, why your transformed a Content Dispute into something it was not. It was a close and apparantly longtime personal friendship with Fransisco I. Martinez.
Nobs01
Interesting. "After he was exonerated, Martinez was reinstated to the bar. He continues to live and practice law in Alamosa, Colorado, where he remains involved in community and social activism." We are on speaking terms, but "longtime personal friendship" would be a gross exaggeration.
Fred
Wikipedia says, "Ken Lay... best known for his role in the widely-reported corruption scandal... was found guilty on May 25, 2006, of 10 counts against him..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Lay
And "Oliver North was...indicted on sixteen felony counts and ... convicted of three...", replete with a mugshot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North#Iran-Contra_affair
One dead one living. But in neither article are they refered to as "innocent".
This source says, "Martinez was brought to trial by the Immigration and Naturalization Service ... and convicted ... ".
So it appears, just as dispute resolution, it depends who your friends are in being able to push POV.
Nobs01
On Nov 27, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Rob Smith wrote:
This source says, "Martinez was brought to trial by the Immigration and Naturalization Service ... and convicted ... ".
Funny, but I read that sentence:
"Martinez was brought to trial by the Immigration and Naturalization Service for his 1980 border crossing incident and was convicted of providing false information to a federal official. That conviction was later overturned on appeal."
and a few sentences further:
"He was eventually exonerated of all criminal charges"
Fred
Yes Fred. Absolutely correct. Kiko not only won on appeal, Kiko is indeed an innocent man, as Oliver North and Ken Lay also are innocent men. You posted twice now that Kiko is innocent; however this ruling by yourself,
"Nobs01 is banned for one year for personal attacks. The ban may be renewed for additional years by any 3 administrators after its expiration ..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Nobs01_and_o...
is a virtual lifetime ban if I tried to present the facts on the Oliver North page, that Oliver North is indeed an innocent man. Truth is sometimes just too damn controversial. I am now just restricted to policy debates. You know yourself, I was not given a fair hearing. And the test of time as shown the bulk of my work has stood up. Even Ruy Lopez's most active sockpuppets now, not only acknowledge that Venona documents & secondary sources exist, he has actually made some very good, NPOV contributions using them. This is an incredible reversal.
Nobs01
On 11/27/06, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
On Nov 27, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Rob Smith wrote:
This source says, "Martinez was brought to trial by the Immigration and Naturalization Service ... and convicted ... ".
Funny, but I read that sentence:
"Martinez was brought to trial by the Immigration and Naturalization Service for his 1980 border crossing incident and was convicted of providing false information to a federal official. That conviction was later overturned on appeal."
and a few sentences further:
"He was eventually exonerated of all criminal charges"
Fred
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:49:51 -0700, "Rob Smith" nobs03@gmail.com wrote:
"Nobs01 is banned for one year for personal attacks. The ban may be renewed for additional years by any 3 administrators after its expiration ..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Nobs01_and_o... is a virtual lifetime ban if I tried to present the facts on the Oliver North page, that Oliver North is indeed an innocent man.
Perhaps, if your commitment to The Truth(TM) is so great, you should have had the foresight not to engage in the kinds of personal attacks that get you banned. Just a thought.
Guy (JzG)
On 11/28/06, Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net wrote:
Perhaps, if your commitment to The Truth(TM) is so great, you should have had the foresight not to engage in the kinds of personal attacks that get you banned. Just a thought.
Guy (JzG)
Thank you. I've appologized but I don't suppose I'll ever live it down. The unique aspect is, it was a one-time error, and not a manner, habit, or practice.
Nobs01
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:23:38 -0700, "Rob Smith" nobs03@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you. I've appologized but I don't suppose I'll ever live it down. The unique aspect is, it was a one-time error, and not a manner, habit, or practice.
You could always appeal.
Guy (JzG)
I need an advocate to assist; can you recommend anyone?
nobs
On 11/28/06, Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:23:38 -0700, "Rob Smith" nobs03@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you. I've appologized but I don't suppose I'll ever live it down. The unique aspect is, it was a one-time error, and not a manner, habit, or practice.
You could always appeal.
Guy (JzG)
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JzG
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:11:48 -0700, "Rob Smith" nobs03@gmail.com wrote:
I need an advocate to assist; can you recommend anyone?
Fred said it, the AMA is a good starting point. I'll not offer to try to raise this on your behalf, as I'm sure I'd only make matters worse, but if you have trouble with admins due to posting the request from an IP or alternate account, I will undertake to do my best to help. I would say that appealing a block or ban, in a civil and reasonable manner, is an exception to the ban on using sockpuppets to evade a block. In fact, I think I'll go and check [[WP:SOCK]] to ensure we say just that.
Guy (JzG)
On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:41 PM, Guy Chapman aka JzG wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:11:48 -0700, "Rob Smith" nobs03@gmail.com wrote:
I need an advocate to assist; can you recommend anyone?
Fred said it, the AMA is a good starting point. I'll not offer to try to raise this on your behalf, as I'm sure I'd only make matters worse, but if you have trouble with admins due to posting the request from an IP or alternate account, I will undertake to do my best to help. I would say that appealing a block or ban, in a civil and reasonable manner, is an exception to the ban on using sockpuppets to evade a block. In fact, I think I'll go and check [[WP:SOCK]] to ensure we say just that.
Guy (JzG)
Limited editing for such a purpose is not an issue, IMO.
Fred
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:05:47 -0700, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
Limited editing for such a purpose is not an issue, IMO.
Ditto my opinion. But use of an alternate account for this turns out to be rather unpopular, per the admin noticeboard. There must be a better idea somewhere.
Guy (JzG)
On 29/11/06, Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:05:47 -0700, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
Limited editing for such a purpose is not an issue, IMO.
Ditto my opinion. But use of an alternate account for this turns out to be rather unpopular, per the admin noticeboard. There must be a better idea somewhere.
Blocked editors can email the arbcom. Such email is in fact read - as a listadmin, I let through pretty much anything that's actually for the arbcom.
- d.
I submitted an AMA request and pledge not use the account for other purposes outside an Appeal.
Wikipedia:AMA Requests for Assistance/Requests/November 2006/Nobs02
On 11/29/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 29/11/06, Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:05:47 -0700, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
Limited editing for such a purpose is not an issue, IMO.
Ditto my opinion. But use of an alternate account for this turns out to be rather unpopular, per the admin noticeboard. There must be a better idea somewhere.
Blocked editors can email the arbcom. Such email is in fact read - as a listadmin, I let through pretty much anything that's actually for the arbcom.
- d.
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I submitted an AMA request and pledge not use the account for other purposes outside an Appeal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AMA_Requests_for_Assistance/Requests/...
On Nov 29, 2006, at 3:45 PM, Rob Smith wrote:
I submitted an AMA request and pledge not use the account for other purposes outside an Appeal.
Wikipedia:AMA Requests for Assistance/Requests/November 2006/Nobs02
Looks good to me.
Fred