That's normally the case, but you do get some papers that just live on arXiv and never get published (either not submitted to a journal at all, or rejected). It's always good to have several standard alternatives for distributing information, and it will be interesting to see what happens with this one. They could have chosen a better name, though - vixra sounds like something you'd see in a spam email... On a en.wp note: I assume that arXiv counts as a (mostly) reliable site to reference? It will be interesting to see whether Vixra will also be, although I guess it'll be a case of each individual paper/ author set being taken on its own merits. Mike

2009/7/17 Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net>et>: Not really. For the kind of things you get on arXiv "reliable" is usually taken to mean "peer-reviewed", so you would cite the journal the paper was published in. You might link to the arXiv version for convenience, but you would be citing the journal, not arXiv.

Evidently there are some sins which didn't exist when Dante was writing. <<(Which is why viXra is such thrilling news. It's like Hell wasn't deep enough, so they're digging tenth and eleventh circles below the basement.)>> -----Original Message----- From: David Gerard &lt;dgerard(a)gmail.com&gt; To: English Wikipedia &lt;wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:40 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks 2009/7/17 Thomas Dalton &lt;thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: "For convenience" is a good way of putting it. Some arXiv-published work is of minor note (e.g. Garrett Lisi's e8 Theory of Everything was in the news after its release), but being in arXiv is not in itself anything special whatsoever. It's all but self-published. (Which is why viXra is such thrilling news. It's like Hell wasn't deep enough, so they're digging tenth and eleventh circles below the basement.) - d. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Michael Peel wrote: The capital "X" in the name is significant. One would use it when having difficulty getting a hard physic. Ec