On Sun, May 13, 2007 at 09:36:15PM -0400, Casey Brown wrote:
The account has no edits, so you can ask the local bureaucrats or stewards to re-assing the username and give it to you (usurp). In the case of SUL, the account would definitely be re-assigned to you.
I should have said that I did NOT understand the language. This is the chinese wikipedia, right? I do not understand chinese so I can not ask their crats to do that. I also do not want the accunt. Is it a problem if I just forget about it? Thanks for your help.
Brian.
Casey Brown Cbrown1023
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:47:45 +1000 From: Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Cross-Wiki accounts To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 20070513224745.GC3348@SALTERDUKE2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Sun, May 13, 2007 at 03:26:07PM -0400, Casey Brown wrote:
Many smaller wikis are cracking down on cross-wiki accounts to stop impersonation. If you create an account on another Wikimedia Project, make sure it is linked from your main account. Otherwise, it may get
blocked.
An easy way to do all this is to create a master list of your accounts at Meta and link that page to all your other sites. This will, hopefully, make it harder for you to be impersonated, and easier for your accounts to be identified.
A tool that can be used to identify accounts that aren't yours can be found at: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/queries/SUL.
Thanks, Casey Brown Cbrown1023
What are we supposed to do if we find an account that is not ours? That tool gave me 11 accounts I do have and one - zh.wikipedia.org, Bduke, that I certainly do not have as I can understand the language.
-- Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity
On 5/14/07, Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au wrote:
On Sun, May 13, 2007 at 09:36:15PM -0400, Casey Brown wrote:
The account has no edits, so you can ask the local bureaucrats or
stewards
to re-assing the username and give it to you (usurp). In the case of
SUL,
the account would definitely be re-assigned to you.
I should have said that I did NOT understand the language. This is the chinese wikipedia, right? I do not understand chinese so I can not ask their crats to do that. I also do not want the accunt. Is it a problem if I just forget about it? Thanks for your help.
Brian.
Casey Brown Cbrown1023
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:47:45 +1000 From: Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Cross-Wiki accounts To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 20070513224745.GC3348@SALTERDUKE2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Sun, May 13, 2007 at 03:26:07PM -0400, Casey Brown wrote:
Many smaller wikis are cracking down on cross-wiki accounts to stop impersonation. If you create an account on another Wikimedia Project, make sure it is linked from your main account. Otherwise, it may get
blocked.
An easy way to do all this is to create a master list of your accounts at Meta and link that page to all your other sites. This will, hopefully, make it harder for you to be impersonated, and easier for your accounts to be identified.
A tool that can be used to identify accounts that aren't yours can be found at: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/queries/SUL.
Thanks, Casey Brown Cbrown1023
What are we supposed to do if we find an account that is not ours? That
tool
gave me 11 accounts I do have and one - zh.wikipedia.org, Bduke, that I certainly do not have as I can understand the language.
-- Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity
-- Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity
What if it means something else in Chinese? If you don't want it, why bring it up? It's not a real obscure combination of sounds for a language as big as Chinese.
My given name is unusual in English, but very common in another language--I wound up with a more obscure account name, when I was willing to use my real name, simply because I could not find a variation of my real name due to a ton of users of a non-English Wikipedia having variations on my given name as their account name, and these users also editing en.Wiki now and then.
KP
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 08:46:33PM -0700, K P wrote:
On 5/14/07, Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au wrote:
On Sun, May 13, 2007 at 09:36:15PM -0400, Casey Brown wrote:
The account has no edits, so you can ask the local bureaucrats or
stewards
to re-assing the username and give it to you (usurp). In the case of
SUL,
the account would definitely be re-assigned to you.
I should have said that I did NOT understand the language. This is the chinese wikipedia, right? I do not understand chinese so I can not ask their crats to do that. I also do not want the accunt. Is it a problem if I just forget about it? Thanks for your help.
Brian.
Casey Brown Cbrown1023
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:47:45 +1000 From: Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Cross-Wiki accounts To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 20070513224745.GC3348@SALTERDUKE2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Sun, May 13, 2007 at 03:26:07PM -0400, Casey Brown wrote:
Many smaller wikis are cracking down on cross-wiki accounts to stop impersonation. If you create an account on another Wikimedia Project, make sure it is linked from your main account. Otherwise, it may get
blocked.
An easy way to do all this is to create a master list of your accounts at Meta and link that page to all your other sites. This will, hopefully, make it harder for you to be impersonated, and easier for your accounts to be identified.
A tool that can be used to identify accounts that aren't yours can be found at: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/queries/SUL.
Thanks, Casey Brown Cbrown1023
What are we supposed to do if we find an account that is not ours? That
tool
gave me 11 accounts I do have and one - zh.wikipedia.org, Bduke, that I certainly do not have as I can understand the language.
-- Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity
-- Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity
What if it means something else in Chinese? If you don't want it, why bring it up? It's not a real obscure combination of sounds for a language as big as Chinese.
Hang about. I was shown a tool that can be used to check accounts on other wikis. I used it and found all the ones I expected plus one other. I just asked what to do about it. I was then told it had no edits and would be assigned to me under SUL. I do not want it, but also do not want people to think it is my account if it gets used. If SUL gives it to me, how would I get rid of it? I'm just being security minded in the same way as I improved my passwd last week.
Brian.
My given name is unusual in English, but very common in another language--I wound up with a more obscure account name, when I was willing to use my real name, simply because I could not find a variation of my real name due to a ton of users of a non-English Wikipedia having variations on my given name as their account name, and these users also editing en.Wiki now and then.
KP
On 5/18/07, Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 08:46:33PM -0700, K P wrote:
On 5/14/07, Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au wrote:
On Sun, May 13, 2007 at 09:36:15PM -0400, Casey Brown wrote:
The account has no edits, so you can ask the local bureaucrats or
stewards
to re-assing the username and give it to you (usurp). In the case
of
SUL,
the account would definitely be re-assigned to you.
I should have said that I did NOT understand the language. This is the chinese wikipedia, right? I do not understand chinese so I can not ask their crats to do that. I also do not want the accunt. Is it a problem if I just forget about it? Thanks for your help.
Brian.
Casey Brown Cbrown1023
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:47:45 +1000 From: Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Cross-Wiki accounts To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 20070513224745.GC3348@SALTERDUKE2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Sun, May 13, 2007 at 03:26:07PM -0400, Casey Brown wrote:
Many smaller wikis are cracking down on cross-wiki accounts to
stop
impersonation. If you create an account on another Wikimedia
Project,
make sure it is linked from your main account. Otherwise, it may
get
blocked.
An easy way to do all this is to create a master list of your
accounts
at Meta and link that page to all your other sites. This will, hopefully, make it harder for you to be impersonated, and easier
for
your accounts to be identified.
A tool that can be used to identify accounts that aren't yours can
be
found at: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/queries/SUL.
Thanks, Casey Brown Cbrown1023
What are we supposed to do if we find an account that is not ours?
That
tool
gave me 11 accounts I do have and one - zh.wikipedia.org, Bduke,
that I
certainly do not have as I can understand the language.
-- Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity
-- Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity
What if it means something else in Chinese? If you don't want it, why
bring
it up? It's not a real obscure combination of sounds for a language as
big
as Chinese.
Hang about. I was shown a tool that can be used to check accounts on other wikis. I used it and found all the ones I expected plus one other. I just asked what to do about it. I was then told it had no edits and would be assigned to me under SUL. I do not want it, but also do not want people to think it is my account if it gets used. If SUL gives it to me, how would I get rid of it? I'm just being security minded in the same way as I improved my passwd last week.
Brian.
My given name is unusual in English, but very common in another
language--I
wound up with a more obscure account name, when I was willing to use my
real
name, simply because I could not find a variation of my real name due
to a
ton of users of a non-English Wikipedia having variations on my given
name
as their account name, and these users also editing en.Wiki now and
then.
KP
-- Brian Salter-Duke b_duke@bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity
Bduke is simply not an obscure or unimaginable or distinct name. If the wikis mean for only one user to have each user name on all wikis, then there should be some way of preventing users from taking an already taken name. Why assume you have to do something about a wiki account on a foreign language wikipedia in a language you don't read, especially that it isn't illegal or prevented for users to sign up with an account name on another language wikipedia when that name already exists on one other?
KP
Hang about. I was shown a tool that can be used to check accounts on other wikis. I used it and found all the ones I expected plus one other. I just asked what to do about it. I was then told it had no edits and would be assigned to me under SUL. I do not want it, but also do not want people to think it is my account if it gets used. If SUL gives it to me, how would I get rid of it? I'm just being security minded in the same way as I improved my passwd last week.
If the account has no edits, then it will basically cease to exist when we switch to SUL. You will then have an account on all Wikimedia projects with your username. You can't get rid of it, since it isn't really a separate account. That's the whole point of SUL.
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:42:02PM +0100, Thomas Dalton wrote:
Hang about. I was shown a tool that can be used to check accounts on other wikis. I used it and found all the ones I expected plus one other. I just asked what to do about it. I was then told it had no edits and would be assigned to me under SUL. I do not want it, but also do not want people to think it is my account if it gets used. If SUL gives it to me, how would I get rid of it? I'm just being security minded in the same way as I improved my passwd last week.
If the account has no edits, then it will basically cease to exist when we switch to SUL. You will then have an account on all Wikimedia projects with your username. You can't get rid of it, since it isn't really a separate account. That's the whole point of SUL.
OK, I understand. I was not clear that this was how SUL is going to work. I thought that SUL meant that I would not have an account on all wikis, but that when I created one on a new wiki, it would automatically give me the single user name and passwd. It does seem rather excessive for every user on the en wikipedia to have an account on every small wiki. Is is not a burden on the small wiki's servers?
Brian.
OK, I understand. I was not clear that this was how SUL is going to work. I thought that SUL meant that I would not have an account on all wikis, but that when I created one on a new wiki, it would automatically give me the single user name and passwd. It does seem rather excessive for every user on the en wikipedia to have an account on every small wiki. Is is not a burden on the small wiki's servers?
I think the idea is that all the wikis share a user database, so it should actually reduce the server load. At least, that's how I understand it.
On 5/20/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
OK, I understand. I was not clear that this was how SUL is going to work. I thought that SUL meant that I would not have an account on all wikis, but that when I created one on a new wiki, it would automatically give me the single user name and passwd. It does seem rather excessive for every user on the en wikipedia to have an account on every small wiki. Is is not a burden on the small wiki's servers?
I think the idea is that all the wikis share a user database, so it should actually reduce the server load. At least, that's how I understand it.
But will our user names then pop up as new user accounts on various non-English language wikipedias and we'll be blocked for having names that mean something forbidden in the other language? Well, if we never use it, we'll never know if we're blocked, so it won't matter if PutridNonBlonde means something nasty in Polish or not, I guess.
It seems rather excessive, though, indeed.
KP