--- Theresa Knott theresaknott@gmail.com wrote:
I agree. I came to the AC after it was formed and it's way of working was set. But personally i hate the jargon and the quasilegalistic way of working. I would like to go to the people concerned and ask questions "Why did you remove that chunk of text" "Do you regret calling him a shithead and have you said or done anything by way of an aplogy" "If you had to to it again, would you have handled it differently?" that sort of thing. I'd like things to be far more informal than they are at the moment, but i don't know how the community feel about that, and i don't want to break a process, that basically works (even though it has its faults)
That is a role that mediation should play.
-- mav
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That is a role that mediation should play.
-- mav
Why separate "mediation" from "arbitration"? Why such complicated dispute resolution procedures? It is almost as if we want to make it hard and complicated to resolve disputes, something you can only do if you are determined. What is the logic behind that?
Wouldn't mediation work better if the parties knew that the mediator seeking a resolution to a dispute/behaviour problem had the ready means to impose a sanction on any parties deemed not to be cooperating? Iron fist in the velvet glove. At present, in the case of real a behaviour problem (as opposed to a good-faith difference of opinion) mediation is a hoop people have to jump through to get to arbitration, and anyway it is broken.
--Brian M (BM)
Mediators should explore what is likely to happen if the parties take the matter to arbitration. Those possible negative consequences should serve to motivate a settlement at the mediation level. This is another reason to continue to look at possible infractions on both sides of any dispute. Once we give someone carte blanche to let it all hang out if the other party is a bad guy they will have absolutely no reason to settle at the mediation or lower level.
Fred
From: Brian M brian1954@gmail.com Reply-To: Brian M brian1954@gmail.com, English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:43:40 -0500 To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] ArbCom - too attached to 'equal treatment'?
That is a role that mediation should play.
-- mav
Why separate "mediation" from "arbitration"? Why such complicated dispute resolution procedures? It is almost as if we want to make it hard and complicated to resolve disputes, something you can only do if you are determined. What is the logic behind that?
Wouldn't mediation work better if the parties knew that the mediator seeking a resolution to a dispute/behaviour problem had the ready means to impose a sanction on any parties deemed not to be cooperating? Iron fist in the velvet glove. At present, in the case of real a behaviour problem (as opposed to a good-faith difference of opinion) mediation is a hoop people have to jump through to get to arbitration, and anyway it is broken.
--Brian M (BM) _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Brian M wrote:
That is a role that mediation should play.
-- mav
Why separate "mediation" from "arbitration"? Why such complicated dispute resolution procedures? It is almost as if we want to make it hard and complicated to resolve disputes, something you can only do if you are determined. What is the logic behind that?
Wouldn't mediation work better if the parties knew that the mediator seeking a resolution to a dispute/behaviour problem had the ready means to impose a sanction on any parties deemed not to be cooperating? Iron fist in the velvet glove. At present, in the case of real a behaviour problem (as opposed to a good-faith difference of opinion) mediation is a hoop people have to jump through to get to arbitration, and anyway it is broken.
When a mediator needs to use an iron fist he has proved himself incompetent as a mediator, and should be fired.
Ec