Daniel Ehrenberg wrote:
how could I become a system administrator?
First we need to know what your user name is. Next we need somebody to quickly verify that you pretty much know how the place works and most importantly are not the type of person that would abuse admin powers (that is, you are not a vandal or troll). This describes nearly all old timers and most users that have been editing more or less daily for a month or so. I would bet it also describes you but we do need to know what username you edit under.
Fred Bauder wrote:
It would be helpful if I were given sysop status. I need to be able to access the text of protected pages and need to learn how the sysop system works. I am working on an implementation of the wikipedia3 software at
http://www.internet-encyclopedia.info
I could also do some work as a sysop on wikipedia itself.
Thank you,
Fred Bauder
Even though Fred and I haven't got along very well in the past I see little reason why he shouldn't be an Admin.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
WikiKarma the usual at [[March 3]]
I have installed the wikipedia3 software at:
http://www.internet-encyclopedia.info/wiki.phtml
It is not quite ready for public access, but you can view progress there and work on it should you so desire. The wikidata base dump was not installed. Certain policies have been changed from wikipedia and there are some bugs. Please report bugs on my talk page or by email to me at fredbaud@ctelco.net. Policy changes include: internet-encyclopedia is written in American English; on controversial issues do not try for a neutral point of view, but rather write separate articles sympathetic to each point of view (don't try to write on a viewpoint you are not sympathetic to). Another feature will be signed articles. More will be explained in the internet-enclyclopedia FAQ as it develops.
Fred
On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 06:56:48AM -0700, Fred Bauder wrote:
I have installed the wikipedia3 software at:
Erm! I presume you've just not yet got around to changing the references to the "wikipedia" name.
Incidentally, is registering wikipedia as a trademark being considered?
Just changing the references to Wikipedia on the main page is a few hours work. But working on it. Remember unless you know the URL you would not conntect to the wikipedia clone but to:
http://www.internet-encyclopedia.info
That url will not connect to the wiki clone til the site is more or less ready (with references to internet-encyclopedia in place)
Fred
From: Jason Williams jason@jasonandali.org.uk Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:05:46 +0000 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] internet-encyclopedia.info
On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 06:56:48AM -0700, Fred Bauder wrote:
I have installed the wikipedia3 software at:
Erm! I presume you've just not yet got around to changing the references to the "wikipedia" name.
Incidentally, is registering wikipedia as a trademark being considered?
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On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 06:56:48 -0700, Fred Bauder fredbaud@ctelco.net wrote:
I have installed the wikipedia3 software at:
http://www.internet-encyclopedia.info/wiki.phtml
It is not quite ready for public access, but you can view progress there and work on it should you so desire. The wikidata base dump was not installed. Certain policies have been changed from wikipedia and there are some bugs. Please report bugs on my talk page or by email to me at fredbaud@ctelco.net. Policy changes include: internet-encyclopedia is written in American English;
ok, I'll steer clear ;-)
At 06:56 AM 3/6/03 -0700, Fred Bauder wrote:
I have installed the wikipedia3 software at:
http://www.internet-encyclopedia.info/wiki.phtml
It is not quite ready for public access, but you can view progress there and work on it should you so desire. The wikidata base dump was not installed.
Please take the Wikipedia name off the front page.
Done,
You must remember that using the Wikipedia3 software carries the wikipedia name as an part of itself. No doubt a few references to wikipedia still exist on one page or another, but I did edit language.pnp and have probably replaced most of them.
Fred
From: Vicki Rosenzweig vr@redbird.org Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 16:05:17 -0500 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] internet-encyclopedia.info
At 06:56 AM 3/6/03 -0700, Fred Bauder wrote:
I have installed the wikipedia3 software at:
http://www.internet-encyclopedia.info/wiki.phtml
It is not quite ready for public access, but you can view progress there and work on it should you so desire. The wikidata base dump was not installed.
Please take the Wikipedia name off the front page.
Vicki Rosenzweig vr@redbird.org http://www.redbird.org
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Fred Bauder wrote:
I have installed the wikipedia3 software at:
Oh great. Another fork :(
Definitely a fork. Internet-Encyclopedia is an implementation of the wikipedia3 software that has different policies from Wikipedia. For example, rather than one article from a NPOV, Internet-Encyclopedia will have several articles from different points of view on a controverial subject. Also Internet-Encyclopedia is written in American English. There will also be more tolerance of material that Wikipedia editors would reject as creative or otherwise objectionable because of point of view, lack of scientific consensus, or simply shortness. Generally a much more relaxed attitude will be worked for (although what one gets in that department will depend on folks adopting one). Additionally, both ==Further Reading== and ==External Links== sections will be expanded. (remember I'm a bookseller).
When coding is complete and the need arises (right now there is no traffic) editing will be limited to folks with wikipedia experience and involvement and carefully screened based on what they have done on Wikipedia.
As to why, just tired of having my articles trashed and the constant critical attitude. But when you're in the water you start rethinking a lot of things.
On the whole I think wikipedia will benefit over the long run.
Also you can't go GNU and expect no one to ever use it.
Fred
From: Jimmy Wales jwales@bomis.com Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 04:05:14 -0800 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] internet-encyclopedia.info
tarquin wrote:
Oh great. Another fork :(
Is Fred really planning a fork, or something more like a mirror?
If he's planning a fork, maybe he can tell us why.
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2003 17:03:34 -0700, Fred Bauder fredbaud@ctelco.net wrote:
Definitely a fork. Internet-Encyclopedia is an implementation of the wikipedia3 software that has different policies from Wikipedia. For example, rather than one article from a NPOV, Internet-Encyclopedia will have several articles from different points of view on a controverial subject. Also Internet-Encyclopedia is written in American English. There will also be more tolerance of material that Wikipedia editors would reject as creative or otherwise objectionable because of point of view, lack of scientific consensus, or simply shortness. Generally a much more relaxed attitude will be worked for (although what one gets in that department will depend on folks adopting one).
Then may I humbly suggest that you replace the work "Encyclopedia" (Circle of Human Knowledge") with a word or phrase that reflects a "Circle of Human Opinion". If you are rejecting the concept of "what is known to be true by the best means available to us at this time" then surely you ought to reject the name we use for that?
I think this is great, then. I don't personally think it will be very successful, but I think that the experimentation made possible by GNU licensing is exciting and interesting.
Also you can't go GNU and expect no one to ever use it.
Right, I hope I didn't give the impression that I thought otherwise.
Here's what I think: for *us*, NPOV and international-friendliness are core values. If people agree with those things, but want to fork for some other reason, I hope that we can find ways to resolve the issue and keep everyone together, for the good of the project.
But if people want to fork for other purposes, that's fine, and I won't try to talk them out of it.
--Jimbo
A note on status of Internet-Encyclopedia. Be down for a while while Mysql issues are resolved. But in response:
I'm not internationally unfriendly, just fluent in American English. And see that as the de facto linqua franca. We'll just have to see if point of view articles work out in practice. Folks would have to repond to a point of view article not by editing it to change the point of view but by writing a new article from a new point of view.
Internet-encyclopedia contemplates editors continuing to participate actively in wikipedia anyway. Otherwise they would lose touch with both the other editors, who are potential internet-encyclopedia editors, with the content of articles and their history. It is only through that involvement that articles in internet-encyclopedia could reflect the best of what is in Wikipedia and add value to it.
It is contemplated that while on Wikipedia, editors would follow the NPOV standard. I would never have asked to be a sysop if I was not willing to do that while on Wikipedia.
It's interesting how much I have adopted some of Larry's ideas (butting heads with him was probably my main motivation for doing Internet-Encyclopedia). I think there is a case for selecting well-done articles and presenting them in an alternative format. (He called that "sifting") Also I think there is case for real experts should they choose to edit being accorded a certain respect and exemption from the hurly burly of wiki process, hence the notion of signed articles, which would be exempt from the normal editing process, (although a parallel article on the same subject could still exist).
Will it fail? I certainly hope it is only a modest success, not sure I could afford a big success like Wikipedia.
Fred
From: Jimmy Wales jwales@bomis.com Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 03:42:38 -0800 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] internet-encyclopedia.info
I think this is great, then. I don't personally think it will be very successful, but I think that the experimentation made possible by GNU licensing is exciting and interesting.
Also you can't go GNU and expect no one to ever use it.
Right, I hope I didn't give the impression that I thought otherwise.
Here's what I think: for *us*, NPOV and international-friendliness are core values. If people agree with those things, but want to fork for some other reason, I hope that we can find ways to resolve the issue and keep everyone together, for the good of the project.
But if people want to fork for other purposes, that's fine, and I won't try to talk them out of it.
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Lots of forks at a real banquet...
Fred
From: tarquin tarquin@planetunreal.com Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 21:18:28 +0000 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] internet-encyclopedia.info
Fred Bauder wrote:
I have installed the wikipedia3 software at:
Oh great. Another fork :(
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On Friday 07 March 2003 07:21, Fred Bauder wrote:
Lots of forks at a real banquet...
Fred
LOL. I have my doubts about the sanity of forking wikipedia. Why would you fork wikipedia so that you can have an encyclopedia with a Personal POV? And: What if someone comes along who has an opposite POV from your own, they don't have to adhere to NPOV, so what are you going to do? Ban them?
Sascha Noyes
From: tarquin tarquin@planetunreal.com Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 21:18:28 +0000 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] internet-encyclopedia.info
Fred Bauder wrote:
I have installed the wikipedia3 software at:
Oh great. Another fork :(
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Sacha wrote: LOL. I have my doubts about the sanity of forking wikipedia. Why >would
you
fork wikipedia so that you can have an encyclopedia with a Personal POV?
And:
What if someone comes along who has an opposite POV from your own, they
don't > have to adhere to NPOV, so what are you going to do? Ban them?
Maybe they're trying to 'fork' Wikipedia?.. Seriously... Its a good experiment as a Libertarian runaround to the POV problem... here.... The real problem is that it wont have the merit of being 'encyclopedic' and therefore will be less 'authoritative', and attract less 'authorship'... Perhaps. I like the title though...-Stevertighoe
What is the back-of-a-matchbook summary of the idea of the internet-encyclopedia? That is, I looked, but I don't get it.
Tom Parmenter Ortolan88
|From: Fred Bauder fredbaud@ctelco.net |Sender: wikien-l-admin@wikipedia.org |Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org |Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 05:21:19 -0700 | |Lots of forks at a real banquet... | |Fred | |> From: tarquin tarquin@planetunreal.com |> Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org |> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 21:18:28 +0000 |> To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org |> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] internet-encyclopedia.info |> |> |> |> Fred Bauder wrote: |> |>> I have installed the wikipedia3 software at: |>> |>> http://www.internet-encyclopedia.info/wiki.phtml |>> |>> |>> |> Oh great. Another fork :( |> |>> |>> |> |> |> _______________________________________________ |> WikiEN-l mailing list |> WikiEN-l@wikipedia.org |> http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l | |_______________________________________________ |WikiEN-l mailing list |WikiEN-l@wikipedia.org |http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l |
Tom Parmenter wrote:
What is the back-of-a-matchbook summary of the idea of the internet-encyclopedia? That is, I looked, but I don't get it.
It's "MPOV" -- multiple POV --- instead of NPOV, from what I've just read: write one article for each POV. And it's written in "written in American English http://www.internet-encyclopedia.info/wiki.phtml?title=American_English&action=edit, the de facto linqua franca http://www.internet-encyclopedia.info/wiki.phtml?title=Linqua_franca&action=edit of the planet."
tarquin