The Cunctator wrote: "I'm just going to chime in and say that I think that the attacks on Fred are unsubstantiated."

Mate, let's get two things straight:

(1) Fred himself started throwing the mud around.

(2) The evidence of the edit history is clear and entirely unambiguous. Dishonesty is dishonesty.

Casting this as "the attacks on Fred" is (a) unhelpful, and (b) a wild distortion of the course of events.

It was *Fred* who launched into a personal attack on a number of decent, hardworking contributors. I have not troubled to respond to his attempt to smear me as a Holocaust denier (as some others that he attacked at the same time have done), but you may rest assured that they speak for me in this. It was entirely uncalled for.

However, that is not the point here. Fred can call me whatever he likes, I don't think that anyone takes those sort of offensive ravings too seriously anyway.

The *real* point is that Fred is asking that we apply a standard of behaviour to Abe that he is entirely unwilling to apply to himself. We have *still* not seen an apology from Fred for his repeated marking of very major changes as "minor" in the "Communist state" entry, despite the fact that he was asked several times to desist, and despite the fact that he himself admitted on this list that it is a serious offence. Nor has Fred given us an undertaking that he will not repeat the offence in the future.

I would have much preferred to simply let this sleeping dog lie, in the hope that Fred had perhaps learned to moderate his behaviour. Unfortunately, Fred has taken it on himself to launch a series of unwarranted personal attacks on perfectly decent 'pedia contributors. This is unacceptable.

Tony Wilson (Tannin)