FYI. BTW, I didn't know the prototype wiki existed!
Also: Please try your weird, cheap and bad browsers on en:wp and the prototype wiki as an anonymous user. There's been a string of problem reports about older BlackBerrys and the PS3 browser, for example. The more good bug reports, the better.
- d.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jay Walsh jwalsh@wikimedia.org Date: 14 May 2010 21:12 Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi folks,
The UX team folks have prepared a new rendering of the mark and it's available for review on the Prototype wiki: http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia.org/Main_Page
I've made a short update the conversation thread on commons here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikipedia/2.0#Logo_revisions_need_inp...
Which is also where you can leave new feedback. I discuss some of the nuances of the appearance of the identity on other browsers there, and I think others have also pointed those out.
Please take a look at the prototype version and share your comments on that commons thread. We want to get a range of opinions to ensure it looks optimal on a lot of different browser settings, and also that we consider the observations about the transition from the previous. We'll be collecting feedback through next week and we'll introduce a modification hopefully very shortly after that.
FYI the identity looks really, really good in non-digital settings (printed, used in graphic applications etc). There are no major issues with how it translates into real-world objects (banners, posters, pins etc).
Thanks for your input, jay
On May 14, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Samuel Klein wrote:
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Casey Brown lists@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a page on Meta for discussing the new logo? Among other things, we need somewhere to discuss progress on localizing the new logo into different languages. Perhaps the old Logo page could be updated with the latest status and links to discussions on other wikis as they develop: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia/Logo
Thanks. I've updated [[m:Logo]] and [[m:Wikipedia/Logo]].
However, I don't think we should be localizing anymore until we figure out if the logo is going to be updated to include the suggested changes (which I think it will be).
<nod>
Sam
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On 14 May 2010 21:17, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
FYI. BTW, I didn't know the prototype wiki existed!
Ooh, that's nifty. I didn't know it existed either. Will they be testing FlaggedRevs on the site, now that it's not needed for vector?
AGK
On 05/14/2010 01:52 PM, AGK wrote:
Ooh, that's nifty. I didn't know it existed either. Will they be testing FlaggedRevs on the site, now that it's not needed for vector?
We do have our very own playpen here:
http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
The long-term plan is to make more environments like prototype.wikimedia.org, but the usability folks are the pioneers for that particular combination of hardware and software, and I think they plan to keep using it for now.
Was there something about their prototype that you wanted to see included on flaggedrevs.labs?
William
On 14 May 2010 22:02, William Pietri william@scissor.com wrote:
Was there something about their prototype that you wanted to see included on flaggedrevs.labs?
Really just the vector skin and the other arrangements that have just been rolled out on enwiki. I guess vector doesn't make much of a difference to how the FlaggedRevs extension interacts with Wikipedia's users, but it'd be nice to see how things would look on enwiki as it is now.
Vector is my skin on flaggedrevs.labs, but it's not the default at the minute. Maybe, with projects starting to switch their default skin to vector, it should be?
AGK
Was there something about their prototype that you wanted to see included on flaggedrevs.labs?
I'm also wondering if we will have a keyboard shortcut for pages that have changes awaiting review? At the moment, if I open a page and want to delete it, I can press ctrl+alt+d to bring up the deletion interface. Will, say, ctrl+alt+r bring up the changes awaiting review?
AGK
On 05/14/2010 02:07 PM, AGK wrote:
On 14 May 2010 22:02, William Pietriwilliam@scissor.com wrote:
Was there something about their prototype that you wanted to see included on flaggedrevs.labs?
Really just the vector skin and the other arrangements that have just been rolled out on enwiki. I guess vector doesn't make much of a difference to how the FlaggedRevs extension interacts with Wikipedia's users, but it'd be nice to see how things would look on enwiki as it is now.
That would definitely be nice to have, but at first blush it doesn't strike me as worth delaying launch for. Unless somebody disagrees, I'll put it on our after-launch to-do list.
I'm also wondering if we will have a keyboard shortcut for pages that have changes awaiting review? At the moment, if I open a page and want to delete it, I can press ctrl+alt+d to bring up the deletion interface. Will, say, ctrl+alt+r bring up the changes awaiting review?
That's a great idea. It seems like both the changes for the current page and the list of pages with unreviewed changes are things that people would like to get at easily. That also strikes me as a nice-to-have, and I imagine that the usability team has more knowledge of and some opinions on the big keymapping picture, so I'll discuss it with them.
William
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, AGK wikiagk@googlemail.com wrote:
Ooh, that's nifty. I didn't know it existed either. Will they be testing FlaggedRevs on the site,
Most new extensions are tested on their own "labs" site or on testwiki, the Usability initiative is special because it has tons of different improvements and has its own domain. :-)
Here's a list of the current "labs" wikis: * http://de.labs.wikimedia.org/ -- I'm pretty sure this was for testing FlaggedRevs for dewiki * http://en.labs.wikimedia.org/ -- general testing platform * http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/ -- FlaggedRevs for enwiki * http://liquidthreads.labs.wikimedia.org/ -- LiquidThreads * http://readerfeedback.labs.wikimedia.org/ -- ReaderFeedback
now that it's not needed for vector?
It's important to note that although Vector has been deployed, that doesn't mean that the Usability Initiative is done. The Usability team still has quite a few releases prepared, like code collapsing, a TOC in the editing window, and more. The "releases" page on Usability wiki http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Releases lists a lot of these changes, but I'm not sure how up-to-date the timeline is.
On 14 May 2010 21:19, Casey Brown lists@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, AGK wikiagk@googlemail.com wrote:
Ooh, that's nifty. I didn't know it existed either. Will they be testing FlaggedRevs on the site,
Most new extensions are tested on their own "labs" site or on testwiki, the Usability initiative is special because it has tons of different improvements and has its own domain. :-)
Here's a list of the current "labs" wikis:
- http://de.labs.wikimedia.org/ -- I'm pretty sure this was for
testing FlaggedRevs for dewiki
- http://en.labs.wikimedia.org/ -- general testing platform
- http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/ -- FlaggedRevs for enwiki
- http://liquidthreads.labs.wikimedia.org/ -- LiquidThreads
- http://readerfeedback.labs.wikimedia.org/ -- ReaderFeedback
now that it's not needed for vector?
It's important to note that although Vector has been deployed, that doesn't mean that the Usability Initiative is done. The Usability team still has quite a few releases prepared, like code collapsing, a TOC in the editing window, and more. The "releases" page on Usability wiki http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Releases lists a lot of these changes, but I'm not sure how up-to-date the timeline is.
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Casey Brown
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And can I just add how awesome those forthcoming usability releases look! I am so very much looking forward to the "content folding" and "form based editing" features that they've got in the pipelines.
Check out how the article "san francisco" will look when those features are fully-baked: http://prototype.wikimedia.org/s-6/index.php?title=San_Francisco&action=... a while to load because it's very alpha software). This collapses the most difficult part of editing for newbies - the infoboxes - into a neat little casing that can be expanded to show the full code or expanded to show an easy-to-edit form (respectively: by clicking on the arrow in the left of the case, or the squares on the right of the case). As I'm sure anyone who has tried to help a friend learn how to edit has experienced, seeing the infobox wiki-code in the edit window is a major turn-off for newbies to try to get involved in wikimedia. (for comparison, try looking at the same article in Wikipedia now - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=San_Francisco&action=edit ).
I realise this is straying a bit from the original purpose of this thread, but I thought I'd just put that in there as an exemplification of Casey's point that the UX team are not yet finished :-)
-Liam [[witty lama]]
wittylama.com/blog Peace, love & metadata
Hiding the (sometimes long and complex) templates in boxes that can be expanded is a fantastic feature. It makes parsing the text so much easier. That feature is Doubleplusgood as far as I am concerned.
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On 14 May 2010 21:19, Casey Brown lists@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, AGK wikiagk@googlemail.com wrote:
Ooh, that's nifty. I didn't know it existed either. Will they be testing FlaggedRevs on the site,
Most new extensions are tested on their own "labs" site or on testwiki, the Usability initiative is special because it has tons of different improvements and has its own domain. :-)
Here's a list of the current "labs" wikis:
- http://de.labs.wikimedia.org/ -- I'm pretty sure this was for
testing FlaggedRevs for dewiki
- http://en.labs.wikimedia.org/ -- general testing platform
- http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/ -- FlaggedRevs for enwiki
- http://liquidthreads.labs.wikimedia.org/ -- LiquidThreads
- http://readerfeedback.labs.wikimedia.org/ -- ReaderFeedback
now that it's not needed for vector?
It's important to note that although Vector has been deployed, that doesn't mean that the Usability Initiative is done. The Usability team still has quite a few releases prepared, like code collapsing, a TOC in the editing window, and more. The "releases" page on Usability wiki http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Releases lists a lot of these changes, but I'm not sure how up-to-date the timeline is.
--
Casey Brown
Cbrown1023
And can I just add how awesome those forthcoming usability releases look! I am so very much looking forward to the "content folding" and "form based editing" features that they've got in the pipelines.
Check out how the article "san francisco" will look when those features are fully-baked:
http://prototype.wikimedia.org/s-6/index.php?title=San_Francisco&action=...http://prototype.wikimedia.org/s-6/index.php?title=San_Francisco&action=edit%28takes a while to load because it's very alpha software). This collapses the most difficult part of editing for newbies - the infoboxes - into a neat little casing that can be expanded to show the full code or expanded to show an easy-to-edit form (respectively: by clicking on the arrow in the left of the case, or the squares on the right of the case). As I'm sure anyone who has tried to help a friend learn how to edit has experienced, seeing the infobox wiki-code in the edit window is a major turn-off for newbies to try to get involved in wikimedia. (for comparison, try looking at the same article in Wikipedia now - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=San_Francisco&action=edit ).
I realise this is straying a bit from the original purpose of this thread, but I thought I'd just put that in there as an exemplification of Casey's point that the UX team are not yet finished :-)
-Liam [[witty lama]]
wittylama.com/blog Peace, love & metadata
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