-----Original Message----- On Behalf Of charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Harassment sites

FT2 wrote

1 -- If a fact is not notable in an article, it can be ignored.

"Notability" we apply to topics, not individual facts. Verifiability applies to facts. You may find it helpful to use the concept of saliency. Verifiable but non-salient facts can often be removed from articles, and sometimes should be (in line with WP:BLP or WP:COI).

Charles

I'd accept saliency as the more appropriate term (verifiability != notability). The sense I was after was, "a fact or other matter that is worth mentioning and in a high quality neutral article probably should/would get a mention."

I've used notability to cover both a notable (salient) fact as well as a notable topic since salient isn't a term that's in as common usage on the wiki. Expressions such as "The Halabja poison gas attack of Kurds is notable in the article on Saddam Hussain's leadership of Iraq" or "the December letter in Pravda is notable in the context of Stalin's 1939 alleged speech", seem to be fairly straightforward. Salient just doesn't seem to convey the same emphasis, it conveys a sense closer to "useful" or "relevant".

It's wordage. At the end of the day, "we know what we mean". :)

Thanks anyhow for the comment, I'll remember for future.

FT2.