David Gerard wrote:

Matt R wrote:

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How about we talk about something that vaguely matters?

Yeah, it's not like we'll have to work with anyone else or have any sort of good image in the world to get that accomplished.

I'm pleased to see WT:AFD is taking this a bit more seriously as a symptom of the problems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WT%3AAFD#Public_relations

- d.