From: Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com
Neat! But who gets to mark an edit as "patrolled"? Letting an anon or new user do that would tend to defeat the purpose. Also, depending on a single person's judgment may be problematic as well. Ideally an article would need to be viewed by 3 non-newbies/anons to get the "patrolled" tag.
I don't think so. It's not as if marked articles would never be looked at. The function of the feature, as I see it, is not to be technical armor against bad behavior and bad faith, but to reduce Wikistress by insuring that many eyes _do not_ look at new articles if many eyes are not needed.
I think it's a very good idea. And it doesn't need to work perfectly in order for it to work.
I don't think it will help dramatically, but I think it will help noticeably.
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Daniel P.B.Smith wrote:
From: Daniel Mayer <maveric149@yahoo.com> Neat! But who gets to mark an edit as "patrolled"? Letting an anon or new user do that would tend to defeat the purpose. Also, depending on a single person's judgment may be problematic as well. Ideally an article would need to be viewed by 3 non-newbies/anons to get the "patrolled" tag.
I don't think so. It's not as if marked articles would never be looked at. The function of the feature, as I see it, is not to be technical armor against bad behavior and bad faith, but to reduce Wikistress by insuring that many eyes _do not_ look at new articles if many eyes are not needed.
I think it's a very good idea.
The checked edits idea has been bumping around a lot (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Checked_edits_brainstorming for one round of the debate).
Of course the initial system is game-able, and the hike to "3 checks" mentioned by mav above is game-able too. If an edit needs n different checks to count as checked a malevent user can simply create n+1 accounts. (This gets progressively more difficult for the bad user as n increases; I reckon n=3 might be about the right level too).
The solution to this is to say *who* has done the checking. Then we have an embryonic version of the fabled web of trust.
But for now, I think it is fantastic this idea has been implemented. It will help clean after the "vanilla vandals" who are far more numerous than the seriously annoying malevalent users, who can and will meddle with the system, and eventually get banned for it.
Thanks to Timwi.
Pete/Pcb21
--- Pete/Pcb21 pete_pcb21_wpmail@pcbartlett.com wrote:
Of course the initial system is game-able, and the hike to "3 checks" mentioned by mav above is game-able too. If an edit needs n different checks to count as checked a malevent user can simply create n+1 accounts. (This gets progressively more difficult for the bad user as n increases; I reckon n=3 might be about the right level too).
Simple interim solution: Only allow Admins the ability to flag articles in this way. When the problem you mention is fixed, the feature can be extended to all non-newbie logged-in users.
Ideally this should eventually be a user pref since different people have different ideas about trust (some may want three admins to look at a diff, others may just want 2 non-newbie logged-in users to look at a diff).
-- mav
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