http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article537...
I think she's saying that, given a wiki page to edit, everyone turns into an incredibly tedious nerd. (I know I do.)
- d.
I'm an incredibly tedious nerd in real life, so that saves time.
Newyorkbrad
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 6:13 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article537...
I think she's saying that, given a wiki page to edit, everyone turns into an incredibly tedious nerd. (I know I do.)
- d.
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2008/12/21 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) newyorkbrad@gmail.com:
I'm an incredibly tedious nerd in real life, so that saves time.
Me talking to Press Association last year:
Me: "We're basically a bunch of nerds who think writing an encyclopedia is *really cool fun*." Journalist: "Nerds? You call yourselves *nerds*?" Me: "I think the charge is undeniable, given we do this for fun."
They didn't use it in the story ;-)
(I forget the story, I think it was Citizendium-related. They were all going for a 'let's you and him fight' story and I didn't give it to them.)
- d.
+1
Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) wrote:
I'm an incredibly tedious nerd in real life, so that saves time.
Newyorkbrad
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 6:13 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article537...
I think she's saying that, given a wiki page to edit, everyone turns into an incredibly tedious nerd. (I know I do.)
- d.
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The article says "The most notable instance of this was on the night Barack Obama won the American election. I found that his entire, detailed entry disappeared for nearly an hour - to be replaced with the one-line entry, "Barack Obama is the new SOCIALIST President of the United States of America."", but the closest I could find was this edithttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=249916284&oldid=prevthat lasted for about one minute. I wonder what she saw.
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 6:13 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article537...
I think she's saying that, given a wiki page to edit, everyone turns into an incredibly tedious nerd. (I know I do.)
- d.
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"WODUP"
2008/12/22 WODUP wikiwodup@gmail.com:
The article says "The most notable instance of this was on the night Barack Obama won the American election. I found that his entire, detailed entry disappeared for nearly an hour - to be replaced with the one-line entry, "Barack Obama is the new SOCIALIST President of the United States of America."", but the closest I could find was this edithttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=249916284&oldid=prevthat lasted for about one minute. I wonder what she saw.
Put that in the comments section!
"You realise, of course, anyone can immediately check up on it when you make statements like this."
- d.
Yeah but judging by the article she probably isn't computer savvy enough to realize you have to refresh a page to see if it has changed.
BozMo
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:10 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2008/12/22 WODUP wikiwodup@gmail.com:
The article says "The most notable instance of this was on the night Barack Obama won the American election. I found that his entire, detailed entry disappeared for nearly an hour - to be replaced with the one-line entry, "Barack Obama is the new SOCIALIST President of the United States of America."", but the closest I could find was this edithttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=249916284&oldid=prevthat lasted for about one minute. I wonder what she saw.
Put that in the comments section!
"You realise, of course, anyone can immediately check up on it when you make statements like this."
- d.
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On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:10 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2008/12/22 WODUP wikiwodup@gmail.com:
The article says "The most notable instance of this was on the night
Barack
Obama won the American election. I found that his entire, detailed entry disappeared for nearly an hour - to be replaced with the one-line entry, "Barack Obama is the new SOCIALIST President of the United States of America."", but the closest I could find was this edithttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=249916284&oldid=prevthat lasted for about one minute. I wonder what she saw.
Put that in the comments section!
"You realise, of course, anyone can immediately check up on it when you make statements like this."
- d.
More likely explained by cacheing somewhere than malice...
However, explaining to the public and the reporter "No, that was your browser, use a better one or hit refresh more often" is probably a non-starter...
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:06 PM, WODUP wikiwodup@gmail.com wrote:
The article says "The most notable instance of this was on the night Barack Obama won the American election. I found that his entire, detailed entry disappeared for nearly an hour - to be replaced with the one-line entry, "Barack Obama is the new SOCIALIST President of the United States of America."", but the closest I could find was this edithttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=249916284&oldid=prevthat lasted for about one minute. I wonder what she saw.
It's possible that she didn't refresh, that her browser was dumb, or that mediawiki's purge of the front end cache was lost and anons saw an old version for longer. (The last of these is not likely but it is possible— but every edit is another chance for the caches to get clued in... so in that case user error still seems likely)
Perhaps we should have a "Wikipedia for reporters" page which details things like how to check how long some particular edit persisted.
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Gregory Maxwell wrote:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:06 PM, WODUP wikiwodup@gmail.com wrote:
The article says "The most notable instance of this was on the night
Barack
Obama won the American election. I found that his entire, detailed entry disappeared for nearly an hour - to be replaced with the one-line entry, "Barack Obama is the new SOCIALIST President of the United States of America."", but the closest I could find was this edithttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=249916284&oldid=prevthat lasted for about one minute. I wonder what she saw.
It's possible that she didn't refresh, that her browser was dumb, or that mediawiki's purge of the front end cache was lost and anons saw an old version for longer. (The last of these is not likely but it is possible— but every edit is another chance for the caches to get clued in... so in that case user error still seems likely)
Perhaps we should have a "Wikipedia for reporters" page which details things like how to check how long some particular edit persisted. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
I like the idea "Wikipedia for reports", perhaps a very small link on the main page.
Jon
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps we should have a "Wikipedia for reporters" page which details things like how to check how long some particular edit persisted.
Working on it. Give me a bit, I have an outline but no content. The communications committee people probably will want to weigh in...
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia for Reporters]]
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 6:18 PM, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.comwrote:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.comwrote:
Perhaps we should have a "Wikipedia for reporters" page which details things like how to check how long some particular edit persisted.
Working on it. Give me a bit, I have an outline but no content. The communications committee people probably will want to weigh in...
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia for Reporters]]
Ok. Fleshed out a bit, but brain hurts and I'm going to ask others to start filling it in...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article537... 572.ece
The most incisive statement in this article is:
"...currently, the world's pessimists have wrested control of Wikipedia from the world's optimists.
Marc Riddell
2008/12/22 Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article537... 572.ece
The most incisive statement in this article is:
"...currently, the world's pessimists have wrested control of Wikipedia from the world's optimists.
Marc Riddell
Just because someone worked out how to get a link to [[Unrequited love]] into [[Valentine's Day]]...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article537...
I think she's saying that, given a wiki page to edit, everyone turns into an incredibly tedious nerd. (I know I do.)
- d.
It's free association, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_association_(psychology)
Fred
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Fred Bauder wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article537...
I think she's saying that, given a wiki page to edit, everyone turns into an incredibly tedious nerd. (I know I do.)
- d.
It's free association, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_association_(psychology)
Fred
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It has to be that way... everyone knows that you can judge a person by their writings. I know I do. :)
Best,
Jon-
2008/12/21 David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article537...
I think she's saying that, given a wiki page to edit, everyone turns into an incredibly tedious nerd. (I know I do.)
From the article:
"Wikipedia's founding belief is that everyone has one subject (dropping the gearbox out of a Ford Ghia, the life and works of Morton Harket of A-Ha, making wild-berry chutney), on which they are an expert - and could, therefore, then contribute an entry on said subject to Wikipedia. "
I've never considered this to be Wikipedia's founding belief. Wikipedia culture is far more geared toward referencing than expertise, and toward generalism rather than specificism. Expertise can certainly mean that someone is more dexterous with concepts and handling references relating to a subject, but knowing something in your head is useless for Wikipedia unless you can point out where this fact is written. Expertise is certainly welcome, but has never been an assumption.
I would say that Wikipedia's founding belief is closer to "you don't need to be an expert to write about something, as long as you research the subject and reference legitimate sources".
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Oldak Quill oldakquill@gmail.com wrote:
From the article:
"Wikipedia's founding belief is that everyone has one subject (dropping the gearbox out of a Ford Ghia, the life and works of Morton Harket of A-Ha, making wild-berry chutney), on which they are an expert - and could, therefore, then contribute an entry on said subject to Wikipedia. "
I've never considered this to be Wikipedia's founding belief. Wikipedia culture is far more geared toward referencing than expertise, and toward generalism rather than specificism. Expertise can certainly mean that someone is more dexterous with concepts and handling references relating to a subject, but knowing something in your head is useless for Wikipedia unless you can point out where this fact is written. Expertise is certainly welcome, but has never been an assumption.
There's enough single-minded crusaders around to give a casual observer the impression that Wikipedia has nobody else.
By Caitlin Moran's numbers 70% of wikipedia should be porn. Where is the porn? :P Identifying me as a " incredibly tedious nerd" would probably be an understatement.
- White Cat
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:13 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article537...
I think she's saying that, given a wiki page to edit, everyone turns into an incredibly tedious nerd. (I know I do.)
- d.
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On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 3:13 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article537...
I think she's saying that, given a wiki page to edit, everyone turns into an incredibly tedious nerd. (I know I do.)
- d.
In the news tonight, the Internet makes geeks geekier, the sun rises in the east, and Italy has been confirmed by authorities as being "very" Catholic.
- Joe