Alec, Jon Awbrey is a banned user and Wikipedia Review poster, the creator of this essay is a self-declared sockpuppet (but does not identify the main account), and this is a subject on which Jon Awbrey has wasted prodigious amounts of the community's time. I blocked *yet another* Awbrey sock last night, Awbrey is still disrupting Wikipedia in the attempt to get his own "expertise" into the article over which he has obsessed since his arrival.
If you want to e brought up to speed on Awbrey and his long-term disruption then let me know.
Awbrey may be satan incarnate for all I know, but in my experience, Dan T has been nothing but civil. The email you wrote attacking Dan for WR membership, instead of addressing his concerns, is the issue that concerns me.
"Awbry is evil" is not a relevant reponse to the request "Please stop attacking other editors, like you just did to Dan two emails ago".
Alec
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 05:18:24 -0500, "Alec Conroy" alecmconroy@gmail.com wrote:
Awbrey may be satan incarnate for all I know, but in my experience, Dan T has been nothing but civil. The email you wrote attacking Dan for WR membership, instead of addressing his concerns, is the issue that concerns me.
Well, no, that's not what I did. But I was tetchy. I have had more than enough of WR sympathisers. That site is a nest of vipers right now, and they are proving highly successful in twisting our people to do their bidding, as we saw in the recent Alkivar arbitration.
I am of the view that being a good Wikipedia is, at this time, fundamentally incompatible with playing any active part on Wikipedia Review, because WR has as its goal to undermine and damage Wikipedia, not to improve it, and because the power and influence there is largely in the hands of determined abusers of Wikipedia. People like Awbrey, Bagley, Barber. Daniel Brandt I never had a problem with, but he seems to be taking a back seat most of the time, so the lunatics have taken over that particular asylum.
And as I say, Awbrey in particular has a looooong history of disruption, including on this *exact* topic, and an equally long history of ban evading sockpuppetry.
Guy (JzG)
On Nov 10, 2007 2:18 AM, Alec Conroy alecmconroy@gmail.com wrote:
Awbrey may be satan incarnate for all I know, but in my experience, Dan T has been nothing but civil. The email you wrote attacking Dan for WR membership, instead of addressing his concerns, is the issue that concerns me.
Dan has been downright uncivil on this list multiple times. This doesn't justify anyone's incivility, of course; but don't paint him with a halo.
A concern about anyone hanging out with the WR crowd is that they have no regard for the truth and are good at manipulation. It's not a healthy environment in the least and does not foster honest criticism of the way we do things (and believe me, there are many HONEST criticisms).
-Matt