There is a consensus (claimed by [[User:Theathenae]] in [[Talk:Macedonian denar]]) that every article where the name of the [[Republic of Macedonia]] is used, should include this disclaimer in a "note" section:
<< ==Note==
* The use of the terms Republic of Macedonia and Macedonian(s) throughout this article is not meant to imply an official position on the naming dispute between Athens and Skopje. See Foreign relations of the Republic of Macedonia#Naming_dispute_with_Greece, Republic_of_Macedonia#Naming_Dispute and United Nations Resolution 817 (1993)
(see it at [[Macedonian denar]])
I think this is a bad precedent. I wonder how long it would be until other disputed names would get the same kind of disclaimer.
The fork tag/header is primarily intended as pointer to other uses of the term. Using {{otheruses}} often serves this quite well. The tendency for fork tags (and template messages) to become abused as disclaimer/definition tags is a pervasive trend, which requires continuous pruning. Prune away.
In some cases, like with Libertarianism, there has been some "consensus" to use a large disclaimer header, but these are moreoften an eyesore. In that case, it also represents an expression that "right libertarianism" is "libertarianism" while other forms are something else. Its not worth fighting over. (Libertarians are as bad as Scientologists (or LDS, if youre Eloquence)--just prune their excessiveness and POV, (especially the overuse of template:libertarianism) and state your reasoning for doing so clearly.
In some cases, I'll accept something like "this article is regarding foo. For other uses..." but I highly dislike any other links, and likewise any other "explanatory" language. Thats not what theyre for. Something like "this article... for the type of foo... for the foo..." can just be cut down to the above, changing particular links to a disambiguation. (make one if none). Nobody wants to read "for the heavy metal band named Saint Foo, see Saint Foo (band)" when their looking for religion.
SV
--- disclist@dapyx-soft.com wrote:
There is a consensus (claimed by [[User:Theathenae]] in [[Talk:Macedonian denar]]) that every article where the name of the [[Republic of Macedonia]] is used, should include this disclaimer in a "note" section:
<< ==Note==
- The use of the terms Republic of Macedonia and
Macedonian(s) throughout this article is not meant to imply an official position on the naming dispute between Athens and Skopje. See Foreign relations of the Republic of Macedonia#Naming_dispute_with_Greece, Republic_of_Macedonia#Naming_Dispute and United Nations Resolution 817 (1993)
(see it at [[Macedonian denar]])
I think this is a bad precedent. I wonder how long it would be until other disputed names would get the same kind of disclaimer.
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From: disclist@dapyx-soft.com There is a consensus (claimed by [[User:Theathenae]] in [[Talk:Macedonian denar]]) that every article where the name of the [[Republic of Macedonia]] is used, should include this disclaimer in a "note" section:
<< ==Note==
- The use of the terms Republic of Macedonia and Macedonian(s) throughout
this article is not meant to imply an official position on the naming dispute between Athens and Skopje. See Foreign relations of the Republic of Macedonia#Naming_dispute_with_Greece, Republic_of_Macedonia#Naming_Dispute and United Nations Resolution 817 (1993)
(see it at [[Macedonian denar]])
I think this is a bad precedent. I wonder how long it would be until other disputed names would get the same kind of disclaimer.
This is indeed an extremely bad precedent. Not only does it mean boilerplate text in dozens of articles referring to this topic alone, all of which will have to be kept in synch in some way, but it will inevitably be extended to every territorial dispute. Thus any reference to [[Northern Ireland]] will need to have a disclaimer indicating that by using the name "Northern Ireland" as opposed to "The Six Counties", Wikipedia is not taking any position in the Republican/Loyalist dispute, any reference to the [[Republic of China]] will need a disclaimer indicating that Wikipedia is not taking a position on which is the legitimate government of China or Taiwan, etc. This kind of edit is an attempt to introduce POV masquerading as NPOV.
Jay.