Extended debate on the public pages of a top ten website regarding a harmful subject is not a good idea. It only spreads the meme.
Fred
-----Original Message----- From: Denny Colt [mailto:wikidenny@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 01:47 PM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia privacy concerns
On the Arbitration page, an interesting idea is presented. MONGO says this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_arbitrati...
"If we started linking in all the posts that proves that website has actively engaged in trying to "out" real identities and allows other egregious attacks, then that might help explain why we don't have an article about that website. Due to information posted on WR, either mirrored from some other site or posted there originally, I can think of at least 5 wikipedians who have left or assumed new identities on Wikipedia to avoid the harassment associated with those posts. That the website actively engages as a forum to collaborate in an effort to "discover" who people are in real life is no mystery...it is transparent.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 19:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)"
In response, Risker says this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration...
"In response to Mongo, I believe that there is good reason to be more upfront about potential risks to registering an account at Wikipedia. I've just gone and checked the information given about registering accounts, and there is very little about the risks of doing so, and plenty about the benefits. It would be good to have a subpage there discussing things like choice of user name, deciding how much personal information to put on your user page, and the fact that (as one of the most read sites on the internet) Wikipedia cannot guarantee the privacy of any person. I would be willing to work on this, but I have no idea who manages that page. [[User:Risker|Risker]] 19:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)"
Is this a good idea? Put up a warning for all new registrations that your privacy is not/cannot be guaranteed by Wikipedia? If there will be no policy to stop people from linking to sites/sources that DO engage in outing our identaties this may be required. If the press got hold of this...
This conversation spawned from some vehement opposition to a proposed policy to ban links to attack, outing, and hate sites aimed at hurting Wikipedians. The policy is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Attack_sites
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I believe it's a good idea to warn people about the dangers of using your real name when registering with Wikipedia. But since most fail to read that email addresses are needed to retrieve forgotten passwords, I'm unsure if this would actually be effective.
Mgm
On 4/12/07, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
Extended debate on the public pages of a top ten website regarding a harmful subject is not a good idea. It only spreads the meme.
Fred
-----Original Message----- From: Denny Colt [mailto:wikidenny@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 01:47 PM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia privacy concerns
On the Arbitration page, an interesting idea is presented. MONGO says
this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_arbitrati...
"If we started linking in all the posts that proves that website has actively engaged in trying to "out" real identities and allows other egregious attacks, then that might help explain why we don't have an
article
about that website. Due to information posted on WR, either mirrored from some other site or posted there originally, I can think of at least 5 wikipedians who have left or assumed new identities on Wikipedia to avoid the harassment associated with those posts. That the website actively engages as a forum to collaborate in an effort to "discover" who people
are
in real life is no mystery...it is transparent.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]]
19:23,
12 April 2007 (UTC)"
In response, Risker says this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration...
"In response to Mongo, I believe that there is good reason to be more upfront about potential risks to registering an account at Wikipedia.
I've
just gone and checked the information given about registering accounts,
and
there is very little about the risks of doing so, and plenty about the benefits. It would be good to have a subpage there discussing things like choice of user name, deciding how much personal information to put on
your
user page, and the fact that (as one of the most read sites on the
internet)
Wikipedia cannot guarantee the privacy of any person. I would be willing
to
work on this, but I have no idea who manages that page. [[User:Risker|Risker]] 19:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)"
Is this a good idea? Put up a warning for all new registrations that your privacy is not/cannot be guaranteed by Wikipedia? If there will be no
policy
to stop people from linking to sites/sources that DO engage in outing our identaties this may be required. If the press got hold of this...
This conversation spawned from some vehement opposition to a proposed
policy
to ban links to attack, outing, and hate sites aimed at hurting
Wikipedians.
The policy is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Attack_sites
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- Denny
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On 4/12/07, MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com wrote:
I believe it's a good idea to warn people about the dangers of using your real name when registering with Wikipedia. But since most fail to read that email addresses are needed to retrieve forgotten passwords, I'm unsure if this would actually be effective.
I'm still of the opinion that the dangers are overstated.
That said, the risk of confusing or suprising people who aren't aware of how an initially pseudonymous account can get literally or effectively "outed" is high, and clearing up for them what all they are getting in to would be helpful.