I'm with Mav on this one. The Wikipedia has no obligation to guarantee the anonymity of people who make violent threats.
I daresay it's more obliged to protect the threatened party than the threatener. If not, then consider this my final resignation notice. I'm getting *really* sick of the nonsense.
Ed Poor
--- "Poor, Edmund W" Edmund.W.Poor@abc.com wrote:
I'm with Mav on this one. The Wikipedia has no obligation to guarantee the anonymity of people who make violent threats.
Are you saying that all non-sysop users are making violent threats there ? Why should all non-sysop lose their anonymity just because *one* person is theatening ? By the way, should that concern only non-sysop ? Because obviously a sysop could also make threats no ?
If there is a threat, just ask Brion to give his ip adress. If he doesnot want to give it, appeal to Jimbo.
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Anthere wrote:
Why should all non-sysop lose their anonymity just because *one* person is theatening ?
Revealing ip numbers to sysops doesn't really compromise anyone's anonymity. You can't generally get a person's name or address or anything similar from an ip number. At best, you can trace the ip to a particular internet provider, but that's about it.
Right?
--Jimbo
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jimmy Wales wrote:
Anthere wrote:
Why should all non-sysop lose their anonymity just because *one* person is theatening ?
Revealing ip numbers to sysops doesn't really compromise anyone's anonymity. You can't generally get a person's name or address or anything similar from an ip number. At best, you can trace the ip to a particular internet provider, but that's about it.
And the provider (employer, university) can often trace the IP and time of connection to a particular customer (employee, student).
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
I wrote:
Revealing ip numbers to sysops doesn't really compromise anyone's anonymity. You can't generally get a person's name or address or anything similar from an ip number. At best, you can trace the ip to a particular internet provider, but that's about it.
Brion Vibber wrote:
And the provider (employer, university) can often trace the IP and time of connection to a particular customer (employee, student).
Sure. In your opinion, does this mean that the risk of making it possible for sysops to get ip numbers is too high?
My view is that lots of people seem to think that tracing an ip number back to a name is easy. It isn't. To get the provider to do so is normally quite difficult, oten involving a court order.
If we were providing a service for abused spouses, etc., then I would argue that extraordinary privacy and anonymity measures would be justified. But in the current context, I don't see that this is much of a risk.
--Jimbo
On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 13:12, Jimmy Wales wrote:
Anthere wrote:
Why should all non-sysop lose their anonymity just because *one* person is theatening ?
Revealing ip numbers to sysops doesn't really compromise anyone's anonymity. You can't generally get a person's name or address or anything similar from an ip number. At best, you can trace the ip to a particular internet provider, but that's about it.
At best, you can trace the ip to a particular computer. In 99.9% of the cases, the IP provider can trace the IP to a particular account, that is, to a particular person.