sannse wrote
The article for "pop punk" ( http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_punk ) was expanded last week by a new user. He then realised that his work may have copyright implications and asked for it to be deleted.
After all the hazzle over copyright with Michael, DW et al, it is so nice to hear of new users who want to the right thing, rather than leaving copyright stuff in situ. Is it too early to nominate him as a sysop? :-)
JT
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JT wrote:
After all the hazzle over copyright with Michael, DW et al, it is so nice
to
hear of new users who want to the right thing, rather than leaving
copyright
stuff in situ. Is it too early to nominate him as a sysop? :-)
Heh. Perhaps one week logged in is a /little/ too early ;)
But I hope sie* comes back to us after hir vacation - potentially a good contributor :)
Regards,
sannse
*I have been presuming male gender and just realised I had no reason to. Anthere is right - we do that too often. And I should know better!
--- sannse sannse@delphiforums.com wrote:
JT wrote:
After all the hazzle over copyright with Michael,
DW et al, it is so nice to
hear of new users who want to the right thing,
rather than leaving copyright
stuff in situ. Is it too early to nominate him as
a sysop? :-)
Heh. Perhaps one week logged in is a /little/ too early ;)
But I hope sie* comes back to us after hir vacation
- potentially a good
contributor :)
Regards,
sannse
*I have been presuming male gender and just realised I had no reason to. Anthere is right - we do that too often. And I should know better!
German is a great language in that respect.
You a woman Sannse ?
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Anthere asked:
You a woman Sannse ?
Yep. Despite the number of kind e-mails I get offering to enlarge my penis ;)
I haven't bothered to correct those on Wikipedia who have presumed I'm male - it hasn't bothered me and doesn't seem worth the typing. But since seeing you comment on this I've realised you are right - we have a tendency to presume anyone without an obviously female name is male. And I do it myself all the time. I can't think of a single contributor with a gender-neutral name that I picture as female (unless they have identified themselves as such).
See Stevertigo's comment on [[Talk:clitoris]] for a classic presumption of the male gender of all contributors (not to single you out Steve - it was just the timing that really made me notice this)
Regards
sannse
sannse wrote:
I haven't bothered to correct those on Wikipedia who have presumed I'm male - it hasn't bothered me and doesn't seem worth the typing. But since seeing you comment on this I've realised you are right - we have a tendency to presume anyone without an obviously female name is male. And I do it myself all the time. I can't think of a single contributor with a gender-neutral name that I picture as female (unless they have identified themselves as such).
Well, on this issue it's usually a reasonable assumption -- at least in most places where online discussion takes place, the participants are invariably 90-95% male (and sometimes it's more lopsided than that -- take a look at [[Slashdot]]'s demographics...). In fact, often you're better off presuming even (or perhaps especially!) people with obviously-female names are male. Wikipedia may be somewhat more diverse, though I doubt it'd be possible to get good statistics. But in any case once we "assume everyone is male" people start noticing a few times we're wrong about it, we start getting more wary about assuming in the future (or so's the hope anyway). It's in places that every time you assume someone's male it turns out they actually *are* male that it's hard to change to become less presumptuous. :-P
-Mark
sannse-
Anthere asked:
You a woman Sannse ?
Yep. Despite the number of kind e-mails I get offering to enlarge my penis ;)
I haven't bothered to correct those on Wikipedia who have presumed I'm male - it hasn't bothered me and doesn't seem worth the typing. But since seeing you comment on this I've realised you are right - we have a tendency to presume anyone without an obviously female name is male. And I do it myself all the time. I can't think of a single contributor with a gender-neutral name that I picture as female (unless they have identified themselves as such).
Well, I've been thought to be a woman several times. Since my username is "Eloquence", perhaps that's a good sign. ;-)
Regards,
Erik
--- Erik Moeller erik_moeller@gmx.de wrote:
sannse-
Anthere asked:
You a woman Sannse ?
Yep. Despite the number of kind e-mails I get
offering to enlarge my penis
;)
I haven't bothered to correct those on Wikipedia
who have presumed I'm
male - it hasn't bothered me and doesn't seem
worth the typing. But since
seeing you comment on this I've realised you are
right - we have a tendency
to presume anyone without an obviously female name
is male. And I do it
myself all the time. I can't think of a single
contributor with a
gender-neutral name that I picture as female
(unless they have identified
themselves as such).
Well, I've been thought to be a woman several times. Since my username is "Eloquence", perhaps that's a good sign. ;-)
Regards,
Erik
The picture accessible from your user page is not particularly feminine Erik.
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--- sannse sannse@delphiforums.com wrote:
Anthere asked:
You a woman Sannse ?
Yep. Despite the number of kind e-mails I get offering to enlarge my penis ;)
oh ! You too ? :-)
I haven't bothered to correct those on Wikipedia who have presumed I'm male - it hasn't bothered me and doesn't seem worth the typing. But since seeing you comment on this I've realised you are right - we have a tendency to presume anyone without an obviously female name is male.
Anth�re is a feminin word :-) How many times did I have to insist I was female before people remembered it :-)
And I do it
myself all the time. I can't think of a single contributor with a gender-neutral name that I picture as female (unless they have identified themselves as such).
See Stevertigo's comment on [[Talk:clitoris]] for a classic presumption of the male gender of all contributors (not to single you out Steve - it was just the timing that really made me notice this)
Regards
sannse
Noticed it also. But I counted only 3 (Deb said she was a woman). Who is the fourth one ?
(I exclude MaryMary from the count - of course - she can't be a woman right ?)
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Anthere wrote:
See Stevertigo's comment on [[Talk:clitoris]] for a classic presumption of the male gender of all contributors (not to single you out Steve - it was just the timing that really made me notice this)
Noticed it also. But I counted only 3 (Deb said she was a woman). Who is the fourth one ?
(I exclude MaryMary from the count - of course - she can't be a woman right ?)
No, I didn't count JohnQ/MaryMary. I only looked at the most recent discussion.
The four I counted were you, me, Deb and Vicki Rosenzweig. But maybe I'm erring in the other direction with Vicki, I don't actually recall hir saying either way.
Regards,
sannse
Alright, alright... I got the point. Would the people with clitorises stop making fun of the people with penises, please? It's no picnic to carry on of *these around -- as evidenced by constant presumptiveness, bountiful typographical errors, and an early risk of alzheimers.
-S- :)
See Stevertigo's comment on [[Talk:clitoris]] for
a
classic presumption of the male gender of all contributors (not to
single
you out Steve - it was just the timing that really made me notice this)
Noticed it also. But I counted only 3 (Deb said she was a woman). Who is the fourth one ?
(I exclude MaryMary from the count - of course -
she
can't be a woman right ?)
No, I didn't count JohnQ/MaryMary. I only looked at the most recent discussion.
The four I counted were you, me, Deb and Vicki Rosenzweig. But maybe I'm erring in the other direction with Vicki, I don't actually recall hir saying either way.
Regards,
sannse
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steve vertigo wrote:
Alright, alright... I got the point. Would the people with clitorises stop making fun of the people with penises, please? It's no picnic to carry on of *these around -- as evidenced by constant presumptiveness, bountiful typographical errors, and an early risk of alzheimers.
My OED says nothing about the plural of "clitoris"; even the above might be read as "people with a clitoris" as it would be freaky for anybody to have more than one. Still there are grammatical circumstances in my warped mind where the plural is imaginable. "Clitoris" is a word of Greek origin, and I wonder whether the proper plural might be "clitorides"
Ec
At 10:27 PM 7/16/03 +0100, Sannse wrote:
Anthere wrote:
See Stevertigo's comment on [[Talk:clitoris]] for a classic presumption of the male gender of all contributors (not to single you out Steve - it was just the timing that really made me notice this)
Noticed it also. But I counted only 3 (Deb said she was a woman). Who is the fourth one ?
(I exclude MaryMary from the count - of course - she can't be a woman right ?)
No, I didn't count JohnQ/MaryMary. I only looked at the most recent discussion.
The four I counted were you, me, Deb and Vicki Rosenzweig. But maybe I'm erring in the other direction with Vicki, I don't actually recall hir saying either way.
Since you're asking, yes I'm a woman.