The wikidrama continued in the [[Essjay controversy]] article over the last 24 hours. First, various people edit-warred over the insertion of the relevant link to a site that some regard as a so- called "attack site", which also happened to be where important activity in the history of the Essjay affair first came to light. The anti-linking side threatened to block people for adding the nefarious link, and actually blocked at least one ([[User:KamrynMatika]], blocked by admin [[User:ElinorD]], about whom I must apologize profusely to the Wikipedia community for playing any role in making her an admin; I voted to support her RfA, despite knowing of her anti- attack-site stance, out of a desire not to impose political litmus tests like the other side did). This puts the lie to any assertion that the link ban is "no big deal" because it won't be used to block any linking that helps the encyclopedia... any such applications (like attempts to suppress links to [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]]'s blog) were clearly misguided and can be reversed by using common sense and [[Wikipedia:Ignore All Rules]]... well, except for now, I guess.
Then, [[User:MichaelLinnear]] came up with a seemingly good solution to the mess; he found a respectable news outlet that was a reference for the same fact. Problem solved... no "attack" links needed, huh? Still, [[User:MONGO]] immediately and mistakenly reverted that addition... well, anybody who's ever in the past inserted a so-called attack link for any reason is clearly a Troll and an Attack Site Partisan, so "Assume Bad Faith" is the applicable principle for dealing with *their* kind... any link they ever insert must be another evil attack site, given that their sinister agenda is to promote those sites any way they can. Keep the revert trigger finger ready, and the safety off! Still, he realized his error quickly and reverted himself a minute later.
So, problem solved, huh? Not so fast... while all of this insertion, reversion, and re-reversion was taking place, it appears that nobody involved actually tried to *go* to that new respectable news link. Turns out that it's "404 Not Found"... you get only an error page. Well, I guess that's a great thing... no possibility of winding up on evil attack-site content that way. The fact that there's no useful information there either is only a minor quibble.
As of now, the nonexistent link is still there at Footnote 1... I guess it will stay until somebody either finds another "respectable" source, or else dares to face off against the Clique by putting the relevant "attack" link back.
On 6/26/07, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
The wikidrama continued in the [[Essjay controversy]] article over the last 24 hours. First, various people edit-warred over the insertion of the relevant link to a site that some regard as a so- called "attack site", which also happened to be where important activity in the history of the Essjay affair first came to light. The anti-linking side threatened to block people for adding the nefarious link, and actually blocked at least one ([[User:KamrynMatika]], blocked by admin [[User:ElinorD]], about whom I must apologize profusely to the Wikipedia community for playing any role in making her an admin; I voted to support her RfA, despite knowing of her anti- attack-site stance, out of a desire not to impose political litmus tests like the other side did). This puts the lie to any assertion that the link ban is "no big deal" because it won't be used to block any linking that helps the encyclopedia... any such applications (like attempts to suppress links to [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]]'s blog) were clearly misguided and can be reversed by using common sense and [[Wikipedia:Ignore All Rules]]... well, except for now, I guess.
Then, [[User:MichaelLinnear]] came up with a seemingly good solution to the mess; he found a respectable news outlet that was a reference for the same fact. Problem solved... no "attack" links needed, huh? Still, [[User:MONGO]] immediately and mistakenly reverted that addition... well, anybody who's ever in the past inserted a so-called attack link for any reason is clearly a Troll and an Attack Site Partisan, so "Assume Bad Faith" is the applicable principle for dealing with *their* kind... any link they ever insert must be another evil attack site, given that their sinister agenda is to promote those sites any way they can. Keep the revert trigger finger ready, and the safety off! Still, he realized his error quickly and reverted himself a minute later.
So, problem solved, huh? Not so fast... while all of this insertion, reversion, and re-reversion was taking place, it appears that nobody involved actually tried to *go* to that new respectable news link. Turns out that it's "404 Not Found"... you get only an error page. Well, I guess that's a great thing... no possibility of winding up on evil attack-site content that way. The fact that there's no useful information there either is only a minor quibble.
As of now, the nonexistent link is still there at Footnote 1... I guess it will stay until somebody either finds another "respectable" source, or else dares to face off against the Clique by putting the relevant "attack" link back.
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i suspect that your continued rantings and overuse of sarcasm & targetting of various editors is going to do more to harm your cause than help it.
you would be much better off spending your time making reasonable, rational arguments presented in a calm, non-accusatory manner and attempting to engage the editors you disagree with in proper discussion as opposed to bitching about them on the mailing list
2007/6/26, Kamryn Matika kamrynmatika@gmail.com:
i suspect that your continued rantings and overuse of sarcasm & targetting of various editors is going to do more to harm your cause than help it.
you would be much better off spending your time making reasonable, rational arguments presented in a calm, non-accusatory manner and attempting to engage the editors you disagree with in proper discussion as opposed to bitching about them on the mailing list
Hmmm.. User:KamrynMatika - first edit 2 March 2007 User:DTobias - first edit 18 December 2004
Just a gentle recommendation: endure this madness for three years and let's talk again then.
greetings, elian PS: You're right, of course...
On 6/26/07, Kamryn Matika kamrynmatika@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/26/07, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
The wikidrama continued in the [[Essjay controversy]] article over the last 24 hours. First, various people edit-warred over the insertion of the relevant link to a site that some regard as a so- called "attack site", which also happened to be where important activity in the history of the Essjay affair first came to light. The anti-linking side threatened to block people for adding the nefarious link, and actually blocked at least one ([[User:KamrynMatika]], blocked by admin [[User:ElinorD]], about whom I must apologize profusely to the Wikipedia community for playing any role in making her an admin; I voted to support her RfA, despite knowing of her anti- attack-site stance, out of a desire not to impose political litmus tests like the other side did). This puts the lie to any assertion that the link ban is "no big deal" because it won't be used to block any linking that helps the encyclopedia... any such applications (like attempts to suppress links to [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]]'s blog) were clearly misguided and can be reversed by using common sense and [[Wikipedia:Ignore All Rules]]... well, except for now, I guess.
Then, [[User:MichaelLinnear]] came up with a seemingly good solution to the mess; he found a respectable news outlet that was a reference for the same fact. Problem solved... no "attack" links needed, huh? Still, [[User:MONGO]] immediately and mistakenly reverted that addition... well, anybody who's ever in the past inserted a so-called attack link for any reason is clearly a Troll and an Attack Site Partisan, so "Assume Bad Faith" is the applicable principle for dealing with *their* kind... any link they ever insert must be another evil attack site, given that their sinister agenda is to promote those sites any way they can. Keep the revert trigger finger ready, and the safety off! Still, he realized his error quickly and reverted himself a minute later.
So, problem solved, huh? Not so fast... while all of this insertion, reversion, and re-reversion was taking place, it appears that nobody involved actually tried to *go* to that new respectable news link. Turns out that it's "404 Not Found"... you get only an error page. Well, I guess that's a great thing... no possibility of winding up on evil attack-site content that way. The fact that there's no useful information there either is only a minor quibble.
As of now, the nonexistent link is still there at Footnote 1... I guess it will stay until somebody either finds another "respectable" source, or else dares to face off against the Clique by putting the relevant "attack" link back.
(firstpost)
i suspect that your continued rantings and overuse of sarcasm & targetting of various editors is going to do more to harm your cause than help it.
you would be much better off spending your time making reasonable, rational arguments presented in a calm, non-accusatory manner and attempting to engage the editors you disagree with in proper discussion as opposed to bitching about them on the mailing list
1. The sarcasm aside, how is what Dan saying irrational? 2. He is trying to engage them, considering many of them read and write to the mailing list. 3. The exasperation is understandable considering that the proponents of this idea that we can never link to a *site* which contains attack pages have not thought it through and continually push it without care for the consequences, even when their actions directly and negatively impact the encyclopaedia.
Johnleemk
On 6/25/07, Kamryn Matika kamrynmatika@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/26/07, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
The wikidrama continued in the [[Essjay controversy]] article over the last 24 hours. First, various people edit-warred over the insertion of the relevant link to a site that some regard as a so- called "attack site", which also happened to be where important activity in the history of the Essjay affair first came to light. The anti-linking side threatened to block people for adding the nefarious link, and actually blocked at least one ([[User:KamrynMatika]], blocked by admin [[User:ElinorD]], about whom I must apologize profusely to the Wikipedia community for playing any role in making her an admin; I voted to support her RfA, despite knowing of her anti- attack-site stance, out of a desire not to impose political litmus tests like the other side did). This puts the lie to any assertion that the link ban is "no big deal" because it won't be used to block any linking that helps the encyclopedia... any such applications (like attempts to suppress links to [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]]'s blog) were clearly misguided and can be reversed by using common sense and [[Wikipedia:Ignore All Rules]]... well, except for now, I guess.
Then, [[User:MichaelLinnear]] came up with a seemingly good solution to the mess; he found a respectable news outlet that was a reference for the same fact. Problem solved... no "attack" links needed, huh? Still, [[User:MONGO]] immediately and mistakenly reverted that addition... well, anybody who's ever in the past inserted a so-called attack link for any reason is clearly a Troll and an Attack Site Partisan, so "Assume Bad Faith" is the applicable principle for dealing with *their* kind... any link they ever insert must be another evil attack site, given that their sinister agenda is to promote those sites any way they can. Keep the revert trigger finger ready, and the safety off! Still, he realized his error quickly and reverted himself a minute later.
So, problem solved, huh? Not so fast... while all of this insertion, reversion, and re-reversion was taking place, it appears that nobody involved actually tried to *go* to that new respectable news link. Turns out that it's "404 Not Found"... you get only an error page. Well, I guess that's a great thing... no possibility of winding up on evil attack-site content that way. The fact that there's no useful information there either is only a minor quibble.
As of now, the nonexistent link is still there at Footnote 1... I guess it will stay until somebody either finds another "respectable" source, or else dares to face off against the Clique by putting the relevant "attack" link back.
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i suspect that your continued rantings and overuse of sarcasm & targetting of various editors is going to do more to harm your cause than help it.
I believe the only editor he targeted was you. Oh, and MONGO. I don't think two editors == various editors.
you would be much better off spending your time making reasonable, rational arguments presented in a calm, non-accusatory manner and attempting to engage the editors you disagree with in proper discussion as opposed to bitching about them on the mailing list
I get the impression he's tried engaging with editors like you and MONGO and is now quite exasperated.
Maybe you should defend your decision to block an editor who was properly sourcing an article. Which seems pretty indefensible to me, but I have a limited imagination.
On 26/06/07, The Cunctator cunctator@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/25/07, Kamryn Matika kamrynmatika@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/26/07, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
The wikidrama continued in the [[Essjay controversy]] article over the last 24 hours. First, various people edit-warred over the insertion of the relevant link to a site that some regard as a so- called "attack site", which also happened to be where important activity in the history of the Essjay affair first came to light. The anti-linking side threatened to block people for adding the nefarious link, and actually blocked at least one ([[User:KamrynMatika]], blocked by admin [[User:ElinorD]], about whom I must apologize profusely to the Wikipedia community for playing any role in making her an admin; I voted to support her RfA, despite knowing of her anti- attack-site stance, out of a desire not to impose political litmus tests like the other side did). This puts the lie to any assertion that the link ban is "no big deal" because it won't be used to block any linking that helps the encyclopedia... any such applications (like attempts to suppress links to [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]]'s blog) were clearly misguided and can be reversed by using common sense and [[Wikipedia:Ignore All Rules]]... well, except for now, I guess.
Then, [[User:MichaelLinnear]] came up with a seemingly good solution to the mess; he found a respectable news outlet that was a reference for the same fact. Problem solved... no "attack" links needed, huh? Still, [[User:MONGO]] immediately and mistakenly reverted that addition... well, anybody who's ever in the past inserted a so-called attack link for any reason is clearly a Troll and an Attack Site Partisan, so "Assume Bad Faith" is the applicable principle for dealing with *their* kind... any link they ever insert must be another evil attack site, given that their sinister agenda is to promote those sites any way they can. Keep the revert trigger finger ready, and the safety off! Still, he realized his error quickly and reverted himself a minute later.
So, problem solved, huh? Not so fast... while all of this insertion, reversion, and re-reversion was taking place, it appears that nobody involved actually tried to *go* to that new respectable news link. Turns out that it's "404 Not Found"... you get only an error page. Well, I guess that's a great thing... no possibility of winding up on evil attack-site content that way. The fact that there's no useful information there either is only a minor quibble.
As of now, the nonexistent link is still there at Footnote 1... I guess it will stay until somebody either finds another "respectable" source, or else dares to face off against the Clique by putting the relevant "attack" link back.
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i suspect that your continued rantings and overuse of sarcasm &
targetting
of various editors is going to do more to harm your cause than help it.
I believe the only editor he targeted was you. Oh, and MONGO. I don't think two editors == various editors.
you would be much better off spending your time making reasonable,
rational
arguments presented in a calm, non-accusatory manner and attempting to engage the editors you disagree with in proper discussion as opposed to bitching about them on the mailing list
I get the impression he's tried engaging with editors like you and MONGO and is now quite exasperated.
Maybe you should defend your decision to block an editor who was properly sourcing an article. Which seems pretty indefensible to me, but I have a limited imagination.
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uhhh i was the editor who was blocked, not the blocking editor. im not being attacked here (as far as i can tell, correct me if im wrong)
Heh. Sorry about that.
On 6/26/07, Vee vee.be.me@gmail.com wrote:
On 26/06/07, The Cunctator cunctator@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/25/07, Kamryn Matika kamrynmatika@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/26/07, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
The wikidrama continued in the [[Essjay controversy]] article over the last 24 hours. First, various people edit-warred over the insertion of the relevant link to a site that some regard as a so- called "attack site", which also happened to be where important activity in the history of the Essjay affair first came to light. The anti-linking side threatened to block people for adding the nefarious link, and actually blocked at least one ([[User:KamrynMatika]], blocked by admin [[User:ElinorD]], about whom I must apologize profusely to the Wikipedia community for playing any role in making her an admin; I voted to support her RfA, despite knowing of her anti- attack-site stance, out of a desire not to impose political litmus tests like the other side did). This puts the lie to any assertion that the link ban is "no big deal" because it won't be used to block any linking that helps the encyclopedia... any such applications (like attempts to suppress links to [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]]'s blog) were clearly misguided and can be reversed by using common sense and [[Wikipedia:Ignore All Rules]]... well, except for now, I guess.
Then, [[User:MichaelLinnear]] came up with a seemingly good solution to the mess; he found a respectable news outlet that was a reference for the same fact. Problem solved... no "attack" links needed, huh? Still, [[User:MONGO]] immediately and mistakenly reverted that addition... well, anybody who's ever in the past inserted a so-called attack link for any reason is clearly a Troll and an Attack Site Partisan, so "Assume Bad Faith" is the applicable principle for dealing with *their* kind... any link they ever insert must be another evil attack site, given that their sinister agenda is to promote those sites any way they can. Keep the revert trigger finger ready, and the safety off! Still, he realized his error quickly and reverted himself a minute later.
So, problem solved, huh? Not so fast... while all of this insertion, reversion, and re-reversion was taking place, it appears that nobody involved actually tried to *go* to that new respectable news link. Turns out that it's "404 Not Found"... you get only an error page. Well, I guess that's a great thing... no possibility of winding up on evil attack-site content that way. The fact that there's no useful information there either is only a minor quibble.
As of now, the nonexistent link is still there at Footnote 1... I guess it will stay until somebody either finds another "respectable" source, or else dares to face off against the Clique by putting the relevant "attack" link back.
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i suspect that your continued rantings and overuse of sarcasm &
targetting
of various editors is going to do more to harm your cause than help it.
I believe the only editor he targeted was you. Oh, and MONGO. I don't think two editors == various editors.
you would be much better off spending your time making reasonable,
rational
arguments presented in a calm, non-accusatory manner and attempting to engage the editors you disagree with in proper discussion as opposed to bitching about them on the mailing list
I get the impression he's tried engaging with editors like you and MONGO and is now quite exasperated.
Maybe you should defend your decision to block an editor who was properly sourcing an article. Which seems pretty indefensible to me, but I have a limited imagination.
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uhhh i was the editor who was blocked, not the blocking editor. im not being attacked here (as far as i can tell, correct me if im wrong) _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[[Essjay controversy]] should really doesn't exist in the first place. How is this a part of collective human knowledge? But this starts a senseless discussion which I do not want to get indulged in. I shouldn't even bother with this comment but it would be too much of a waste to delete it.
- White Cat
On 6/26/07, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
The wikidrama continued in the [[Essjay controversy]] article over the last 24 hours. First, various people edit-warred over the insertion of the relevant link to a site that some regard as a so- called "attack site", which also happened to be where important activity in the history of the Essjay affair first came to light. The anti-linking side threatened to block people for adding the nefarious link, and actually blocked at least one ([[User:KamrynMatika]], blocked by admin [[User:ElinorD]], about whom I must apologize profusely to the Wikipedia community for playing any role in making her an admin; I voted to support her RfA, despite knowing of her anti- attack-site stance, out of a desire not to impose political litmus tests like the other side did). This puts the lie to any assertion that the link ban is "no big deal" because it won't be used to block any linking that helps the encyclopedia... any such applications (like attempts to suppress links to [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]]'s blog) were clearly misguided and can be reversed by using common sense and [[Wikipedia:Ignore All Rules]]... well, except for now, I guess.
Then, [[User:MichaelLinnear]] came up with a seemingly good solution to the mess; he found a respectable news outlet that was a reference for the same fact. Problem solved... no "attack" links needed, huh? Still, [[User:MONGO]] immediately and mistakenly reverted that addition... well, anybody who's ever in the past inserted a so-called attack link for any reason is clearly a Troll and an Attack Site Partisan, so "Assume Bad Faith" is the applicable principle for dealing with *their* kind... any link they ever insert must be another evil attack site, given that their sinister agenda is to promote those sites any way they can. Keep the revert trigger finger ready, and the safety off! Still, he realized his error quickly and reverted himself a minute later.
So, problem solved, huh? Not so fast... while all of this insertion, reversion, and re-reversion was taking place, it appears that nobody involved actually tried to *go* to that new respectable news link. Turns out that it's "404 Not Found"... you get only an error page. Well, I guess that's a great thing... no possibility of winding up on evil attack-site content that way. The fact that there's no useful information there either is only a minor quibble.
As of now, the nonexistent link is still there at Footnote 1... I guess it will stay until somebody either finds another "respectable" source, or else dares to face off against the Clique by putting the relevant "attack" link back.
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On 6/26/07, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com wrote:
[[Essjay controversy]] should really doesn't exist in the first place. How is this a part of collective human knowledge?
Huh??? I can at least understand the logic of people who claim it's not important enough to be in Wikipedia, because that's a value judgment.
But claiming that a real-world event isn't factual? Or that collective human knowledge doesn't include events involving people?
Maybe I'm being stupid, but I don't understand what White Cat is trying to say here.
But this starts a senseless discussion which I do not want to get indulged in. I shouldn't even bother with this comment but it would be too much of a waste to delete it.
- White CatOn 6/26/07, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
The wikidrama continued in the [[Essjay controversy]] article over the last 24 hours. First, various people edit-warred over the insertion of the relevant link to a site that some regard as a so- called "attack site", which also happened to be where important activity in the history of the Essjay affair first came to light. The anti-linking side threatened to block people for adding the nefarious link, and actually blocked at least one ([[User:KamrynMatika]], blocked by admin [[User:ElinorD]], about whom I must apologize profusely to the Wikipedia community for playing any role in making her an admin; I voted to support her RfA, despite knowing of her anti- attack-site stance, out of a desire not to impose political litmus tests like the other side did). This puts the lie to any assertion that the link ban is "no big deal" because it won't be used to block any linking that helps the encyclopedia... any such applications (like attempts to suppress links to [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]]'s blog) were clearly misguided and can be reversed by using common sense and [[Wikipedia:Ignore All Rules]]... well, except for now, I guess.
Then, [[User:MichaelLinnear]] came up with a seemingly good solution to the mess; he found a respectable news outlet that was a reference for the same fact. Problem solved... no "attack" links needed, huh? Still, [[User:MONGO]] immediately and mistakenly reverted that addition... well, anybody who's ever in the past inserted a so-called attack link for any reason is clearly a Troll and an Attack Site Partisan, so "Assume Bad Faith" is the applicable principle for dealing with *their* kind... any link they ever insert must be another evil attack site, given that their sinister agenda is to promote those sites any way they can. Keep the revert trigger finger ready, and the safety off! Still, he realized his error quickly and reverted himself a minute later.
So, problem solved, huh? Not so fast... while all of this insertion, reversion, and re-reversion was taking place, it appears that nobody involved actually tried to *go* to that new respectable news link. Turns out that it's "404 Not Found"... you get only an error page. Well, I guess that's a great thing... no possibility of winding up on evil attack-site content that way. The fact that there's no useful information there either is only a minor quibble.
As of now, the nonexistent link is still there at Footnote 1... I guess it will stay until somebody either finds another "respectable" source, or else dares to face off against the Clique by putting the relevant "attack" link back.
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Yes it isn't worth being on wikipedia (collective human knowledge) because it isn't notable enough, I believe thats what I said."
- White Cat
On 6/26/07, The Cunctator cunctator@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/26/07, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com wrote:
[[Essjay controversy]] should really doesn't exist in the first place.
How
is this a part of collective human knowledge?
Huh??? I can at least understand the logic of people who claim it's not important enough to be in Wikipedia, because that's a value judgment.
But claiming that a real-world event isn't factual? Or that collective human knowledge doesn't include events involving people?
Maybe I'm being stupid, but I don't understand what White Cat is trying to say here.
But this starts a senseless discussion which I do not want to get indulged in. I shouldn't even
bother
with this comment but it would be too much of a waste to delete it.
- White CatOn 6/26/07, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
The wikidrama continued in the [[Essjay controversy]] article over the last 24 hours. First, various people edit-warred over the insertion of the relevant link to a site that some regard as a so- called "attack site", which also happened to be where important activity in the history of the Essjay affair first came to light. The anti-linking side threatened to block people for adding the nefarious link, and actually blocked at least one ([[User:KamrynMatika]], blocked by admin [[User:ElinorD]], about whom I must apologize profusely to the Wikipedia community for playing any role in making her an admin; I voted to support her RfA, despite knowing of her anti- attack-site stance, out of a desire not to impose political litmus tests like the other side did). This puts the lie to any assertion that the link ban is "no big deal" because it won't be used to block any linking that helps the encyclopedia... any such applications (like attempts to suppress links to [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]]'s blog) were clearly misguided and can be reversed by using common sense and [[Wikipedia:Ignore All Rules]]... well, except for now, I guess.
Then, [[User:MichaelLinnear]] came up with a seemingly good solution to the mess; he found a respectable news outlet that was a reference for the same fact. Problem solved... no "attack" links needed, huh? Still, [[User:MONGO]] immediately and mistakenly reverted that addition... well, anybody who's ever in the past inserted a so-called attack link for any reason is clearly a Troll and an Attack Site Partisan, so "Assume Bad Faith" is the applicable principle for dealing with *their* kind... any link they ever insert must be another evil attack site, given that their sinister agenda is to promote those sites any way they can. Keep the revert trigger finger ready, and the safety off! Still, he realized his error quickly and reverted himself a minute later.
So, problem solved, huh? Not so fast... while all of this insertion, reversion, and re-reversion was taking place, it appears that nobody involved actually tried to *go* to that new respectable news link. Turns out that it's "404 Not Found"... you get only an error page. Well, I guess that's a great thing... no possibility of winding up on evil attack-site content that way. The fact that there's no useful information there either is only a minor quibble.
As of now, the nonexistent link is still there at Footnote 1... I guess it will stay until somebody either finds another "respectable" source, or else dares to face off against the Clique by putting the relevant "attack" link back.
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