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George Herbert

13 Apr 2007 13 Apr '07

10:31 p.m.

See slashdot thread: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/13/2018210 -- -george william herbert george.herbert(a)gmail.com

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Bryan Derksen

13 Apr 13 Apr

11:39 p.m.

George Herbert wrote:

See slashdot thread: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/13/2018210

I wonder if they also block <http://www.answers.com/>.

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Will

11:46 p.m.

My school blocked Wikipedia in February. The Sheila Broflofski-like head of IT (i.e. more focused on profanity than pornography or violence, demonstrated in me nearly getting expelled for use of the word fuck in a forum, while people who looked at porn and uploaded graphical violence to youtube got nothing) then decided to blame all the vandalism and abuse of it on me (even though the school had been blocked for eight months, and I was the only prolific editor), causing me to get a load of harassment from other students. Will

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Gary Kirk

14 Apr 14 Apr

8:40 a.m.

Interesting. Our IT people have (temporarily at least) blocked everything *but* the English Wikipedia and bbc.co.uk. Incredibly foolish because you cannot now check references or anything external (unless it's at *.bbc.co.uk of course). On 14/04/07, Will <sceptre(a)tintower.co.uk> wrote:

My school blocked Wikipedia in February. The Sheila Broflofski-like head of IT (i.e. more focused on profanity than pornography or violence, demonstrated in me nearly getting expelled for use of the word fuck in a forum, while people who looked at porn and uploaded graphical violence to youtube got nothing) then decided to blame all the vandalism and abuse of it on me (even though the school had been blocked for eight months, and I was the only prolific editor), causing me to get a load of harassment from other students. Will _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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gjzilla＠gmail.com

12:58 p.m.

On 4/13/07, Will <sceptre(a)tintower.co.uk> wrote:

My school blocked Wikipedia in February. The Sheila Broflofski-like head of IT (i.e. more focused on profanity than pornography or violence, demonstrated in me nearly getting expelled for use of the word fuck in a forum, while people who looked at porn and uploaded graphical violence to youtube got nothing) then decided to blame all the vandalism and abuse of it on me (even though the school had been blocked for eight months, and I was the only prolific editor), causing me to get a load of harassment from other students. Will

Wow. That's terrible. Have you tried saying something to the school board (or whoever oversees the schools in the UK) ? ~~~~

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Oldak Quill

1:27 p.m.

On 14/04/07, Will <sceptre(a)tintower.co.uk> wrote:

My school blocked Wikipedia in February. The Sheila Broflofski-like head of IT (i.e. more focused on profanity than pornography or violence, demonstrated in me nearly getting expelled for use of the word fuck in a forum, while people who looked at porn and uploaded graphical violence to youtube got nothing) then decided to blame all the vandalism and abuse of it on me (even though the school had been blocked for eight months, and I was the only prolific editor), causing me to get a load of harassment from other students.

My school used a service which blocked access to websites containing particular words. One such word was "gay" which meant that students couldn't access gay-advocacy sites. Schools tend to overvalue censorship and control. -- Oldak Quill (oldakquill(a)gmail.com)

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Michael Bimmler

1:35 p.m.

On 4/14/07, Oldak Quill <oldakquill(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 14/04/07, Will <sceptre(a)tintower.co.uk> wrote:

My school blocked Wikipedia in February. The Sheila Broflofski-like head of IT (i.e. more focused on profanity than pornography or violence, demonstrated in me nearly getting expelled for use of the word fuck in a forum, while people who looked at porn and uploaded graphical violence to youtube got nothing) then decided to blame all the vandalism and abuse of it on me (even though the school had been blocked for eight months, and I was the only prolific editor), causing me to get a load of harassment from other students.

My school used a service which blocked access to websites containing particular words. One such word was "gay" which meant that students couldn't access gay-advocacy sites. Schools tend to overvalue censorship and control.

Well... My school blocked 'www.essex.ac.uk', as the URL contains the word "sex". Actually, such behaviour will probably never change. You have to live with it or become very persuasive in dealing with network administrators... Michael

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Thomas Dalton

5:14 p.m.

Well... My school blocked 'www.essex.ac.uk', as the URL contains the word "sex". Actually, such behaviour will probably never change. You have to live with it or become very persuasive in dealing with network administrators...

Please tell me you were at Essex University at the time - that would make my day.

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Ray Saintonge

11:59 p.m.

Oldak Quill wrote:

My school used a service which blocked access to websites containing particular words. One such word was "gay" which meant that students couldn't access gay-advocacy sites. Schools tend to overvalue censorship and control.

That presumably also blocks sites that use "gay" in its more traditional sense. ec

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Andrew Lih

15 Apr 15 Apr

1:30 a.m.

On 4/15/07, Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net> wrote:

Oldak Quill wrote:

My school used a service which blocked access to websites containing particular words. One such word was "gay" which meant that students couldn't access gay-advocacy sites. Schools tend to overvalue censorship and control.

That presumably also blocks sites that use "gay" in its more traditional sense.

Like: http://www.westsidestory.com/site/level2/lyrics/pretty_movie.html -Andrew (User:Fuzheado)

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ikiroid

5:19 a.m.

While wikipedia isn't the most reliable source, I'd say that most of the other pages that come up on a google search are less accurate (i.e. Bob and Jane's Geocities Page about Chemistry).

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jf_wikipedia

14 Apr 14 Apr

3:43 p.m.

New subject: Citizendium's assertions about material from Wikipedia

This is related to a banned editor [[User:Andries]] claiming in Citizendium that as the main contributor to a Wikipedia article, if he removes the contributions of others from that article, he can than re-post that content in CZ without giving credit to Wikipedia (and bypass the GFDL) ---- My comment: Articles posted in Wikipedia are licensed under the GFDL and need to be attributed to Wikipedia, regardless of how many editors contributed to these articles. Jossi 12:44, 13 April 2007 (CDT) Larry Sanger's response: Your opinion is incorrect, Jossi. If a person contributed a piece of content to WP, that person may contribute the same content to CZ under CZ's terms. According to WP itself, contributors to WP are the ones who license their edits; they do not donate their copyrights to WP. In this case, since Andries presumably still has copyright in the content he created and contributed to WP, he may contribute the same material to CZ. This said, we ought to investigate Andries' claim and ensure that in fact he really is the only [contributor to the material that he has transferred here. See [1]; on the strength of that, I am checking the "Content is from Wikipedia?" box. --Larry Sanger 14:03, 13 April 2007 (CDT) ---- http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Talk:Sathya_Sai_Baba_Movement Is this the case? Are editors "licensing their edits to WP and retaining copyright"? -- Jossi

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David Gerard

3:49 p.m.

New subject: Citizendium's assertions about material from Wikipedia

On 14/04/07, jf_wikipedia <jf_wikipedia(a)mac.com> wrote:

This is related to a banned editor [[User:Andries]] claiming in

You appear to be repeating a libel here. - d.

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Matthew Brown

4:14 p.m.

New subject: Citizendium's assertions about material from Wikipedia

On 4/14/07, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 14/04/07, jf_wikipedia <jf_wikipedia(a)mac.com> wrote:

This is related to a banned editor [[User:Andries]] claiming in

You appear to be repeating a libel here.

Andries is only banned from the Wikipedia article on [[Sathya Sai Baba]] and related, not from the site, per the arbcom ruling this year. -Matt

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David Gerard

5:16 p.m.

New subject: Citizendium's assertions about material from Wikipedia

On 14/04/07, Matthew Brown <morven(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Andries is only banned from the Wikipedia article on [[Sathya Sai Baba]] and related, not from the site, per the arbcom ruling this year.

Note the attempt by Sathya Sai Baba's followers to remove the material from elsewhere on a pretext. The ArbCom thoroughly messed up this one. - d.

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geni

4 p.m.

New subject: Citizendium's assertions about material from Wikipedia

On 4/14/07, jf_wikipedia <jf_wikipedia(a)mac.com> wrote:

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Talk:Sathya_Sai_Baba_Movement Is this the case? Are editors "licensing their edits to WP and retaining copyright"? -- Jossi

No editors are releaseing their edits under the GFDL and retaining copyright. Nothing to do with wikipedia whick simply choses to host some of the material. -- geni

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Matthew Brown

4:09 p.m.

New subject: Citizendium's assertions about material from Wikipedia

On 4/14/07, jf_wikipedia <jf_wikipedia(a)mac.com> wrote:

Is this the case? Are editors "licensing their edits to WP and retaining copyright"?

Yes. However, edits that modify text already in existence are derived works and if they incorporate parts of someone else's text, Andries cannot relicense. -Matt

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Kurt Maxwell Weber

4:43 p.m.

New subject: Citizendium's assertions about material from Wikipedia

On Saturday 14 April 2007 11:09, Matthew Brown wrote:

On 4/14/07, jf_wikipedia <jf_wikipedia(a)mac.com> wrote:

Is this the case? Are editors "licensing their edits to WP and retaining copyright"?

Yes. However, edits that modify text already in existence are derived works and if they incorporate parts of someone else's text, Andries cannot relicense.

He can as long as he only uses content he himself wrote, stripping out everything contributed by others. -- Kurt Weber <kmw(a)armory.com>

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gjzilla＠gmail.com

12:30 a.m.

On 4/13/07, Bryan Derksen <bryan.derksen(a)shaw.ca> wrote:

George Herbert wrote:

See slashdot thread: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/13/2018210

I wonder if they also block <http://www.answers.com/>.

Not to mention the cached versions :-) Anyway, I've been reading some of the comments, and they seem to indicate something of a Wikipedia-backlash-backlash. All-in-all, very interesting. ~~~~

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David Gerard

3:09 a.m.

On 14/04/07, gjzilla(a)gmail.com <gjzilla(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Anyway, I've been reading some of the comments, and they seem to indicate something of a Wikipedia-backlash-backlash.

This means, of course, that Wikipedia is now Punk Rock. - d.

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Andrew Lih

3:27 a.m.

On 4/14/07, gjzilla(a)gmail.com <gjzilla(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 4/13/07, Bryan Derksen <bryan.derksen(a)shaw.ca> wrote:

George Herbert wrote:

See slashdot thread: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/13/2018210

I wonder if they also block <http://www.answers.com/>.

Not to mention the cached versions :-) Anyway, I've been reading some of the comments, and they seem to indicate something of a Wikipedia-backlash-backlash.

I'm hesitatnt to get too worked up about for now, since: 1. Slashdot submitter Londovir has no link to any page/email. 2. No reference to where "our school board" is 3. No link to any article describing this Frankly, I'm surprised Slashdot editors accepted a posting like this. -Andrew (User:Fuzheado)

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Erik Moeller

5:57 a.m.

On 4/14/07, Andrew Lih <andrew.lih(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I'm hesitatnt to get too worked up about for now, since: 1. Slashdot submitter Londovir has no link to any page/email. 2. No reference to where "our school board" is 3. No link to any article describing this Frankly, I'm surprised Slashdot editors accepted a posting like this.

It's one of those unreliable user-generated content sites.. they should probably be blocked in schools. -- Peace & Love, Erik DISCLAIMER: This message does not represent an official position of the Wikimedia Foundation or its Board of Trustees. "An old, rigid civilization is reluctantly dying. Something new, open, free and exciting is waking up." -- Ming the Mechanic

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