There exists in the UK a small - politically insignificant at present - movement known as the traditional counties movement.
The two largest groups are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_British_Counties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Watch
There is zero news coverage of ABC that I can find.
Looking at : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_counties_of_the_British_Isles
and its linked articles, you could be forgiven for thinking that: * the term traditional county is usually ascribed to these (it is not AFAICT actually generally used much at all other than by the traditional counties movement) * that they are the sole and indisputable historic counties (they aren't, boundaries have shifted a number of times and there have been a lot of legislative changes too) * that there is widespread recognition of these as the "true" counties (in fact most Brits don't actually care, and it's only really significant in some areas like parts of Yorkshire and former Rutland)
I have a serious problem with the assertion that these are "traditional" counties, since there are other arrangements both before and after them; the ones the traditional movement claim existed from the 16th to the 19th Centuries, with some boundary changes - the only thing on which all sources appear to agree over time is the approximate locations, county towns and the names.
There have been edit wars over the Scottish infoboxes re the wording: "traditional", "historic" or "former" county - deeply contentious here, as Fife for example was historically the Kingdom of Fife, as my friend Eric will tell you at every opportunity.
Now, I don't really know much about this apart from what I've seen in the edit wars, but it does look to me as if some peer-review is necessary. Barrows are being pushed.
So the question is: where is the best place to take this? Article RfC? Peer review? NPOV tags and the Cleanup Squad? What's likely to get the best and most informed result, I do not want to get into forum shopping.
Thanks, Guy (JzG)
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I don't know what would be best for this situation, but one thing I would avoid /like the plague/ is RFC - there is no formal process to /enforce/ an RFC's conclusions (ie the process has no 'teeth') - and they generally descend into conclusionless flamewars.
Cynical
Guy Chapman aka JzG wrote:
So the question is: where is the best place to take this? Article RfC? Peer review? NPOV tags and the Cleanup Squad? What's likely to get the best and most informed result, I do not want to get into forum shopping.
Thanks, Guy (JzG)
On 3/31/06, David Alexander Russell webmaster@davidarussell.co.uk wrote:
I don't know what would be best for this situation, but one thing I would avoid /like the plague/ is RFC - there is no formal process to /enforce/ an RFC's conclusions (ie the process has no 'teeth') - and they generally descend into conclusionless flamewars.
Article ones can work out well.
-- geni
On 3/31/06, Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net wrote:
There exists in the UK a small - politically insignificant at present
- movement known as the traditional counties movement.
This has been a problem for some time - ask e.g. Morwen about it.
I suspect it's been through RFC a few times already.
-Matt
This sounds similar to an issue that came up before. The policy at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(places)#Counties_... was made in an attempt to help the situation.
Angela.
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:19:51 +1100, you wrote:
This sounds similar to an issue that came up before. The policy at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(places)#Counties_... was made in an attempt to help the situation.
Thanks, useful info. Guy (JzG)