Jimbo,
I thought we already settled this one: Wikipedia takes no position on whether the "East Sea of Korea" should OR should not be called "Sea of Japan".
In fact, there's an article which details the history of the dispute, including the current South Korean campaign to make encyclopedias and mapmakers give preference to the "Sea of Korea" form.
Our encyclopedia has the unique policy of being "neutral" rather than "objective". If someone wants to edit the image of the map in question and place East Sea or East Sea of Korea in parentheses, that's fine. Just to indicate that the term is disputed.
But if this is an effort to make Wikipedia RECOGNIZE Ms. Yang's preference as taking official priority over the alternative, I think a polite refusal is in order.
Ed Poor
PEW> But if this is an effort to make Wikipedia RECOGNIZE Ms. Yang's PEW> preference as taking official priority over the alternative, I think a PEW> polite refusal is in order.
The request is to use both names simultaneously, not to prefer the name East Sea (and he didn't even call it "East Sea of Korea").
Poor, Edmund W wrote:
I thought we already settled this one: Wikipedia takes no position on whether the "East Sea of Korea" should OR should not be called "Sea of Japan".
I was just passing along the info.
I agree with you. If there's a controversy, our first instinct should be to not take a stand on it, but to report on it. Now we have some first-hand documentary evidence on the nature of the controversy, I guess. ;-)
But if this is an effort to make Wikipedia RECOGNIZE Ms. Yang's preference as taking official priority over the alternative, I think a polite refusal is in order.
Well, they asked nicely, and I'm not sure they really expected a reply.
To me, it is quite interesting in an abstract way that people are dying in (for example) Sudan this morning, and other people have a paid job which involves writing to me to complain about the name of a body of water. One should think that there might be more important things to do in the world.
--Jimbo
--- "Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales" jwales@wikia.com wrote:
To me, it is quite interesting in an abstract way that people are dying in (for example) Sudan this morning, and other people have a paid job which involves writing to me to complain about the name of a body of water. One should think that there might be more important things to do in the world.
Of course, a lot of Wikipedia editing disputes could be analysed in a similar manner. I'm sometimes appalled at the way I will get disproportionately annoyed about, say, a minor WP spelling issue, but remain coldly indifferent to suffering around the world. I'm not suggesting for a minute that attending to the minutiae of Wikipedia articles isn't worthwhile [1]. Rather, I merely conjecture that that when we find ourselves experiencing WikiStress, one approach might be to ponder the serious problems that affect the majority of the world who can't access Wikipedia even if they wanted to.
-- Matt (User:Matt Crypto)
[1] I reserve judgment on Pokemon ;-)
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Matt R wrote:
--- "Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales" jwales@wikia.com wrote:
To me, it is quite interesting in an abstract way that people are dying in (for example) Sudan this morning, and other people have a paid job which involves writing to me to complain about the name of a body of water. One should think that there might be more important things to do in the world.
Of course, a lot of Wikipedia editing disputes could be analysed in a similar manner. I'm sometimes appalled at the way I will get disproportionately annoyed about, say, a minor WP spelling issue, but remain coldly indifferent to suffering around the world. I'm not suggesting for a minute that attending to the minutiae of Wikipedia articles isn't worthwhile [1]. Rather, I merely conjecture that that when we find ourselves experiencing WikiStress, one approach might be to ponder the serious problems that affect the majority of the world who can't access Wikipedia even if they wanted to.
-- Matt (User:Matt Crypto)
[1] I reserve judgment on Pokemon ;-)
Perhaps you get annoyed about this minor matter because it has some effect on you directly, while the suffering in the world is not YOUR personal suffering. This is a perfectly normal human condition, IMHO. I suffer from this affliction also.
TBSDY
Well said Sire!
On 19 Oct 2004, at 18:13, Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales wrote:
To me, it is quite interesting in an abstract way that people are dying in (for example) Sudan this morning, and other people have a paid job which involves writing to me to complain about the name of a body of water.
Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales wrote:
To me, it is quite interesting in an abstract way that people are dying in (for example) Sudan this morning, and other people have a paid job which involves writing to me to complain about the name of a body of water. One should think that there might be more important things to do in the world.
If you think the "Sea of" thing is a little absurd, you obviously haven't been introduced to the people from the German "Institute of Biophotonics", who have found wikipedia to be part of Yet Another Conspiracy, for not using the word "biophotonics" they way they define it, but instead using it the way everyone else defines it and just mentioning their POV...
Magnus