It has came to my attention that closed wikis can be the source of problems particularly for IW links.
When a wiki is locked down (generally for inactivity) edits to the site are completely blocked.
This is a problem because IW links can no longer be fixed meaning there is a permanent invalid IW linkage which may mislead bots and humans (visitors reading articles) alike.
In addition it creates a backlog as the wikis in question will be unlocked eventualy. Admittedly the locked wikis are small so backlog isnt exactly too big of a deal.
In adition locked wikis also need to be edited for SUL unifications, username renames (can relate to SUL), leftover spam deletions and etc.
I really think certain usergroups and/or global usergroups should be allowed to edit such wikis.
- White Cat
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It has came to my attention that closed wikis can be the source of problems particularly for IW links.
When a wiki is locked down (generally for inactivity) edits to the site are completely blocked.
This is a problem because IW links can no longer be fixed meaning there is a permanent invalid IW linkage which may mislead bots and humans (visitors reading articles) alike.
In addition it creates a backlog as the wikis in question will be unlocked eventualy. Admittedly the locked wikis are small so backlog isnt exactly too big of a deal.
In adition locked wikis also need to be edited for SUL unifications, username renames (can relate to SUL), leftover spam deletions and etc.
I really think certain usergroups and/or global usergroups should be allowed to edit such wikis.
- White Cat
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Are there any examples you can cite? I'd be particularly interested in the SUL issues.
- -- Best, Jon
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I have a number of accounts on closed wikis that cannot be "merged" into my SUL account. I also have several that needs a username rename so that I can merge them to my SUL account. I do not believe I am alone in this. I am a perfectionsist I suppose so I want to get the SUL issue resolved 100%. :)
- White Cat
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 4:47 AM, Jon scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
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White Cat wrote:
It has came to my attention that closed wikis can be the source of
problems
particularly for IW links.
When a wiki is locked down (generally for inactivity) edits to the site
are
completely blocked.
This is a problem because IW links can no longer be fixed meaning there
is a
permanent invalid IW linkage which may mislead bots and humans (visitors reading articles) alike.
In addition it creates a backlog as the wikis in question will be
unlocked
eventualy. Admittedly the locked wikis are small so backlog isnt exactly
too
big of a deal.
In adition locked wikis also need to be edited for SUL unifications, username renames (can relate to SUL), leftover spam deletions and etc.
I really think certain usergroups and/or global usergroups should be
allowed
to edit such wikis.
- White Cat
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Are there any examples you can cite? I'd be particularly interested in the SUL issues.
Best, Jon
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White Cat wrote:
I have a number of accounts on closed wikis that cannot be "merged" into my SUL account. I also have several that needs a username rename so that I can merge them to my SUL account. I do not believe I am alone in this. I am a perfectionsist I suppose so I want to get the SUL issue resolved 100%. :)
<snip>
I'm under the impression that the closed wikis will be removed from the central soon, so no need to 100 percent merge. I would posit there is no need for a global group in this case.
- -- Best, Jon
[User:NonvocalScream]
Yes, private wikis are not included in CentralAuth. The creation of an account on any closed WMF site (for examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix; bottom of page, any site which has (private) appended to its entry) is not affected by the presence of an identical or similar global account.
2008/8/30 Jon scream@datascreamer.com
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White Cat wrote:
I have a number of accounts on closed wikis that cannot be "merged" into
my
SUL account. I also have several that needs a username rename so that I
can
merge them to my SUL account. I do not believe I am alone in this. I am a perfectionsist I suppose so I want to get the SUL issue resolved 100%. :)
<snip>
I'm under the impression that the closed wikis will be removed from the central soon, so no need to 100 percent merge. I would posit there is no need for a global group in this case.
Best, Jon
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I have contribution on those wikis I'd like to be attributed which is why I'd like my global account to extend to these wikis. You cannot just go delete a wiki just because you exported its content to the incubator. Accounts are not exported you see.
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 4:43 AM, AGK agkwiki@googlemail.com wrote:
Yes, private wikis are not included in CentralAuth. The creation of an account on any closed WMF site (for examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix; bottom of page, any site which has (private) appended to its entry) is not affected by the presence of an identical or similar global account.
2008/8/30 Jon scream@datascreamer.com
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White Cat wrote:
I have a number of accounts on closed wikis that cannot be "merged"
into
my
SUL account. I also have several that needs a username rename so that I
can
merge them to my SUL account. I do not believe I am alone in this. I am
a
perfectionsist I suppose so I want to get the SUL issue resolved 100%.
:)
<snip>
I'm under the impression that the closed wikis will be removed from the central soon, so no need to 100 percent merge. I would posit there is no need for a global group in this case.
Best, Jon
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The accounts are not being included in the extension. I'm afraid you can't have the edits attributed to your global account; they will still be "informally attributed," to your identity at least, so long as people know that the account White_Cat on those sites is the same as global user:White_Cat.
2008/8/31 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com
I have contribution on those wikis I'd like to be attributed which is why I'd like my global account to extend to these wikis. You cannot just go delete a wiki just because you exported its content to the incubator. Accounts are not exported you see.
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 4:43 AM, AGK agkwiki@googlemail.com wrote:
Yes, private wikis are not included in CentralAuth. The creation of an account on any closed WMF site (for examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix; bottom of page, any
site
which has (private) appended to its entry) is not affected by the
presence
of an identical or similar global account.
2008/8/30 Jon scream@datascreamer.com
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White Cat wrote:
I have a number of accounts on closed wikis that cannot be "merged"
into
my
SUL account. I also have several that needs a username rename so that
I
can
merge them to my SUL account. I do not believe I am alone in this. I
am
a
perfectionsist I suppose so I want to get the SUL issue resolved
100%.
:)
<snip>
I'm under the impression that the closed wikis will be removed from the central soon, so no need to 100 percent merge. I would posit there is no need for a global group in this case.
Best, Jon
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I have non White_Cat accounts that I want renamed to the proper name. It isn't possible to merge accounts. I also want to make sure the IW links are properly done. Currently these two issues are not addressed.
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 2:37 PM, AGK agkwiki@googlemail.com wrote:
The accounts are not being included in the extension. I'm afraid you can't have the edits attributed to your global account; they will still be "informally attributed," to your identity at least, so long as people know that the account White_Cat on those sites is the same as global user:White_Cat.
2008/8/31 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com
I have contribution on those wikis I'd like to be attributed which is why I'd like my global account to extend to these wikis. You cannot just go delete a wiki just because you exported its content to the incubator. Accounts are not exported you see.
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 4:43 AM, AGK agkwiki@googlemail.com wrote:
Yes, private wikis are not included in CentralAuth. The creation of an account on any closed WMF site (for examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix; bottom of page, any
site
which has (private) appended to its entry) is not affected by the
presence
of an identical or similar global account.
2008/8/30 Jon scream@datascreamer.com
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White Cat wrote:
I have a number of accounts on closed wikis that cannot be "merged"
into
my
SUL account. I also have several that needs a username rename so
that
I
can
merge them to my SUL account. I do not believe I am alone in this.
I
am
a
perfectionsist I suppose so I want to get the SUL issue resolved
100%.
:)
<snip>
I'm under the impression that the closed wikis will be removed from
the
central soon, so no need to 100 percent merge. I would posit there
is
no need for a global group in this case.
Best, Jon
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I don't see why it's so important, however. Perfectionism is one thing, but this is beyond that.
2008/8/31 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com
I have non White_Cat accounts that I want renamed to the proper name. It isn't possible to merge accounts. I also want to make sure the IW links are properly done. Currently these two issues are not addressed.
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 2:37 PM, AGK agkwiki@googlemail.com wrote:
The accounts are not being included in the extension. I'm afraid you
can't
have the edits attributed to your global account; they will still be "informally attributed," to your identity at least, so long as people
know
that the account White_Cat on those sites is the same as global user:White_Cat.
2008/8/31 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com
I have contribution on those wikis I'd like to be attributed which is
why
I'd like my global account to extend to these wikis. You cannot just go delete a wiki just because you exported its content to the incubator. Accounts are not exported you see.
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 4:43 AM, AGK agkwiki@googlemail.com wrote:
Yes, private wikis are not included in CentralAuth. The creation of
an
account on any closed WMF site (for examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix; bottom of page, any
site
which has (private) appended to its entry) is not affected by the
presence
of an identical or similar global account.
2008/8/30 Jon scream@datascreamer.com
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White Cat wrote:
I have a number of accounts on closed wikis that cannot be
"merged"
into
my
SUL account. I also have several that needs a username rename so
that
I
can
merge them to my SUL account. I do not believe I am alone in
this.
I
am
a
perfectionsist I suppose so I want to get the SUL issue resolved
100%.
:)
<snip>
I'm under the impression that the closed wikis will be removed from
the
central soon, so no need to 100 percent merge. I would posit there
is
no need for a global group in this case.
Best, Jon
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I can assure you it isn't. If you cannot think of a reason to oppose why are you getting in the way?
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 2:44 PM, AGK agkwiki@googlemail.com wrote:
I don't see why it's so important, however. Perfectionism is one thing, but this is beyond that.
2008/8/31 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com
I have non White_Cat accounts that I want renamed to the proper name. It isn't possible to merge accounts. I also want to make sure the IW links
are
properly done. Currently these two issues are not addressed.
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 2:37 PM, AGK agkwiki@googlemail.com wrote:
The accounts are not being included in the extension. I'm afraid you
can't
have the edits attributed to your global account; they will still be "informally attributed," to your identity at least, so long as people
know
that the account White_Cat on those sites is the same as global user:White_Cat.
2008/8/31 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com
I have contribution on those wikis I'd like to be attributed which is
why
I'd like my global account to extend to these wikis. You cannot just
go
delete a wiki just because you exported its content to the incubator. Accounts are not exported you see.
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 4:43 AM, AGK agkwiki@googlemail.com wrote:
Yes, private wikis are not included in CentralAuth. The creation of
an
account on any closed WMF site (for examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix; bottom of page,
any
site
which has (private) appended to its entry) is not affected by the
presence
of an identical or similar global account.
2008/8/30 Jon scream@datascreamer.com
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White Cat wrote: > I have a number of accounts on closed wikis that cannot be
"merged"
into
my > SUL account. I also have several that needs a username rename
so
that
I
can > merge them to my SUL account. I do not believe I am alone in
this.
I
am
a
> perfectionsist I suppose so I want to get the SUL issue
resolved
100%.
:)
<snip>
I'm under the impression that the closed wikis will be removed
from
the
central soon, so no need to 100 percent merge. I would posit
there
is
no need for a global group in this case.
Best, Jon
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On 8/30/08, AGK agkwiki@googlemail.com wrote:
Yes, private wikis are not included in CentralAuth. The creation of an account on any closed WMF site (for examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix; bottom of page, any site which has (private) appended to its entry) is not affected by the presence of an identical or similar global account.
Okay so let's say he enables SUL for all "open" WMF sites, and then one or more closed wikis re-opens due to renewed interest and happens to contain a user with the same name as the SUL... Would the SUL become incomplete and need to be redone in order to collect the stray accounts or would the SUL assimilate them without the user actively confirming that they are the same person?
—C.W.
I still have accounts on those wikis that need a usernane rename. Should those wikis get opened today I would need to hunt that action and request a usernane rename before making edits. I merely want all of it to be done in an orderly manner.
Thats half of the problem.
Another problem is that the content on closed/locked wikis do not get updated. This causes complications on IW links for example. If there is a bad IW link on a closed wiki, fixing it is imposible. This can have a negative effect on other wikis with various scripts, which can be fixed programaticaly (closed wikis would be ingored). But you see, for humans visiting the wiki in question that is not the case. There is also the problem of left over spam (it may happen). It wouldn't be nice to bother a dev to unlock the wiki just for that.
I guess what I am saying is, it would be nice if bot accounts and admin accounts could edit closed/locked wikis. Stewards can grant bot flags and admin flags when due. I wasn't thinking of a global group for this.
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Charlotte Webb charlottethewebb@gmail.comwrote:
On 8/30/08, AGK agkwiki@googlemail.com wrote:
Yes, private wikis are not included in CentralAuth. The creation of an account on any closed WMF site (for examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix; bottom of page, any
site
which has (private) appended to its entry) is not affected by the
presence
of an identical or similar global account.
Okay so let's say he enables SUL for all "open" WMF sites, and then one or more closed wikis re-opens due to renewed interest and happens to contain a user with the same name as the SUL... Would the SUL become incomplete and need to be redone in order to collect the stray accounts or would the SUL assimilate them without the user actively confirming that they are the same person?
—C.W.
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On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:43 AM, AGK agkwiki@googlemail.com wrote:
Yes, private wikis are not included in CentralAuth. The creation of an account on any closed WMF site (for examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix; bottom of page, any site which has (private) appended to its entry) is not affected by the presence of an identical or similar global account.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I got the impression White Cat was not talking about closed wikis as in closed access, but closed as in wikis shut down for inactivity, ie:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects
Stephen Bain you are correct. A few examples:
- http://kr.wikipedia.org - http://se.wikibooks.org - http://ug.wikibooks.org - http://tk.wikiquote.org - http://tt.wikiquote.org - http://ug.wikiquote.org - http://vo.wikiquote.org - http://za.wikiquote.org - http://ht.wikisource.org - http://sc.wiktionary.org - http://sn.wiktionary.org - http://to.wiktionary.org - http://tw.wiktionary.org - http://xh.wiktionary.org
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.comwrote:
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:43 AM, AGK agkwiki@googlemail.com wrote:
Yes, private wikis are not included in CentralAuth. The creation of an account on any closed WMF site (for examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix; bottom of page, any
site
which has (private) appended to its entry) is not affected by the
presence
of an identical or similar global account.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I got the impression White Cat was not talking about closed wikis as in closed access, but closed as in wikis shut down for inactivity, ie:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects
-- Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com
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