Delirium wrote:
That seems kind of silly. I'd actually looked up this article before myself, because the "fleshlight" is notable enough that it's entered slang use, at least in some subcultures, and I had no idea what the word was referring to. It's also gotten quite a bit of press, and a quick google news search turns up a claim in the _Village Voice_ (a mainstream news magazine) that it's "one of the best-known boy-centric toys".
I would have to say Danny erred in this case with his ignorant statement that it is a "non-notable product".
Danny comments:
Before proclaiming my ignorance to the world, I would invite Delirium to look a bit more closely at Google News, supposedly the font of knowledge here. Typing in Fleshlight resulted in exactly one hit on Google News, the Village Voice article he mentioned.
A percursory glance at the article itself shows that it is titled: "Boys' Toys Cock rings, butt plugs, finger massagers and other guy goodies" Before the brief paragraph on the Fleshlight it says, "Neil's not the only hetero male seeking out women-friendly sex toys. According to Carolyn Riccardi, Education Coordinator for Babeland New York (_babeland.com_ (http://www.babeland.com/) ), 35 percent of their customers are men, and their most popular boys' toys are the Sonic Ring, a vibrating cock ring, the Blossom Sleeve, and the Aneros prostate stimulator." I suppose our next step would be to ensure we have articles on each of these products, as well as Babeland and their educational coordinator. After all, they are each mentioned in the "Voice." This week's edition also has a fascinating review of a stirring new film, "Black Monster Dicks Fucking White Chicks," complete with a comparison to [[Das Boot]]. I would have watched the film and written the article myself, but alas, Netflix didn't have it (yet). (_http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/dirtypornos/_ (http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/dirtypornos/) ). Instead I will write about another Voice topic, Xiao La Jiao, NYC's "foremost Sichuan restaurant," and in Flushing, no less.
I read the Voice regularly when I lived in New York. I even took circuitous routes home from work just so I could get a copy. But not everything in the Voice (or even in the NY Times for that matter) deserves an article. Editing isn't only about knowing what to add, but about knowing what not to add as well.
Danny
On 10/7/06, daniwo59@aol.com daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
[...] But not everything in the Voice (or even in the NY Times for that matter) deserves an article. Editing isn't only about knowing what to add, but about knowing what not to add as well.
WP:NOT censored.
It's not particularly suprising that searches through mainstream press don't catch many sex-related brand names. Most sex-related products don't show up in mainstream press.
Despite that, sex related topics are a major economic field, including media, birth control and "safe sex" stuff, and other topics including sex toys.
Pursuant to that, WP has generally tasteful and encyclopedic articles on related topics.
Do you not believe those of us who are saying that Fleshlight is very well known if not notorious within the field?
Do you have a reason for opposing this that is not general uncomfortableness with having the topic in Wikipedia?
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:58:33 -0700, "George Herbert" george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
It's not particularly suprising that searches through mainstream press don't catch many sex-related brand names. Most sex-related products don't show up in mainstream press.
A product review in Loaded or Playboy would be fine, I don't insist on the New York Times. Any three or four non-trivial *independent* articles focusing primarily on the subject will do.
Guy (JzG)
On 10/11/06, Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:58:33 -0700, "George Herbert" george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
It's not particularly suprising that searches through mainstream press don't catch many sex-related brand names. Most sex-related products don't show up in mainstream press.
A product review in Loaded or Playboy would be fine, I don't insist on the New York Times. Any three or four non-trivial *independent* articles focusing primarily on the subject will do.
Guy (JzG)
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Folks,
How about this list of mentions available through Google News Archives?
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=Fleshlight&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&...
Regards
Keith Old
On 10/11/06, Keith Old keithold@gmail.com wrote:
Folks,
How about this list of mentions available through Google News Archives?
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=Fleshlight&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&...
Regards
Keith Old _______________________________________________
I am surprised, it does have some mention. I do like page two of that list, the Decatur Daily Review. "Miss Barbaia received a pencil and the boys a * fleshlight*". * *And that already in 1928. :)
Garion96
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:08:23 +1000, "Keith Old" keithold@gmail.com wrote:
How about this list of mentions available through Google News Archives? http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=Fleshlight&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&...
Not many of them seem to pass the test non-trivial mention in external source of at least some repute. For values of not many that include all the ones I looked at.
Guy (JzG)