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"AFAICT, though, the Wikipedia model appears to accept "has been posted to Wikipedia by multiple contributors" as constituting verification.
Wikipedia's main weakness is that, at base, it's a pub conversation. It's a large pub conversation, and is open to contributions from passers-by who know their onions, but it's still basically a bunch of interested people who might -- or might not -- know much about something, having a chat."
On 20/01/2008, James Farrar james.farrar@gmail.com wrote:
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"AFAICT, though, the Wikipedia model appears to accept "has been posted to Wikipedia by multiple contributors" as constituting verification.
Wikipedia's main weakness is that, at base, it's a pub conversation. It's a large pub conversation, and is open to contributions from passers-by who know their onions, but it's still basically a bunch of interested people who might -- or might not -- know much about something, having a chat."
When was that posted? It was true a few years ago.
On 20/01/2008, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 20/01/2008, James Farrar james.farrar@gmail.com wrote:
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"AFAICT, though, the Wikipedia model appears to accept "has been posted to Wikipedia by multiple contributors" as constituting verification.
Wikipedia's main weakness is that, at base, it's a pub conversation. It's a large pub conversation, and is open to contributions from passers-by who know their onions, but it's still basically a bunch of interested people who might -- or might not -- know much about something, having a chat."
When was that posted? It was true a few years ago.
Less than an hour ago. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/e7294834ac6c99cd
Know their onions? Are there many types of onions?
On Jan 20, 2008 11:51 AM, James Farrar james.farrar@gmail.com wrote:
On 20/01/2008, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 20/01/2008, James Farrar james.farrar@gmail.com wrote:
Message-ID: Xns9A2BA4F6679BFwhhvans@news.albasani.net
"AFAICT, though, the Wikipedia model appears to accept "has been posted to Wikipedia by multiple contributors" as constituting verification.
Wikipedia's main weakness is that, at base, it's a pub conversation. It's a large pub conversation, and is open to contributions from passers-by who know their onions, but it's still basically a bunch of interested people who might -- or might not -- know much about something, having a chat."
When was that posted? It was true a few years ago.
Less than an hour ago. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/e7294834ac6c99cd
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mmmmm I think Wikipedia is much more uglier than that. I think a bistro in Monmarte with tables full of knives and bottles and bottles of Absinthe, testosterone and competing wisdom is more apt.
On 20/01/2008, James Farrar james.farrar@gmail.com wrote:
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"AFAICT, though, the Wikipedia model appears to accept "has been posted to Wikipedia by multiple contributors" as constituting verification.
Wikipedia's main weakness is that, at base, it's a pub conversation. It's a large pub conversation, and is open to contributions from passers-by who know their onions, but it's still basically a bunch of interested people who might -- or might not -- know much about something, having a chat."
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michael west wrote:
mmmmm I think Wikipedia is much more uglier than that. I think a bistro in Monmarte with tables full of knives and bottles and bottles of Absinthe, testosterone and competing wisdom is more apt.
This is hardly a picture that I would associate with Montmartre. I presume that the last time you visited Montmartre was before the French banned absinthe in 1915. The knives that I would imagine would be the kind that you find in a normal restaurant table setting. The bottles are more likely to include wine, candles or artists' paintbrushes.
Ec
On Jan 20, 2008 8:03 PM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
michael west wrote:
mmmmm I think Wikipedia is much more uglier than that. I think a bistro in Monmarte with tables full of knives and bottles and bottles of Absinthe, testosterone and competing wisdom is more apt.
This is hardly a picture that I would associate with Montmartre. I presume that the last time you visited Montmartre was before the French banned absinthe in 1915. The knives that I would imagine would be the kind that you find in a normal restaurant table setting. The bottles are more likely to include wine, candles or artists' paintbrushes.
I bet you didn't know absinthe is again legal in France, via teh Cassis de Dijon principle, and has been for some years. Not with wormwood though, (or at least so much of it), but still.
Pedantically yours;
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
On 20/01/2008, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonavaro@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 20, 2008 8:03 PM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
michael west wrote:
mmmmm I think Wikipedia is much more uglier than that. I think a
bistro in
Monmarte with tables full of knives and bottles and bottles of
Absinthe,
testosterone and competing wisdom is more apt.
This is hardly a picture that I would associate with Montmartre. I presume that the last time you visited Montmartre was before the French banned absinthe in 1915. The knives that I would imagine would be the kind that you find in a normal restaurant table setting. The bottles are more likely to include wine, candles or artists' paintbrushes.
I bet you didn't know absinthe is again legal in France, via teh Cassis de Dijon principle, and has been for some years. Not with wormwood though, (or at least so much of it), but still.
Pedantically yours;
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
lol when have analogies had to have a time/date/source? yes my Monmarte was set in 1890s decadant la ville Paris. Monmarte today is a bit of a let down (if you want knife fights theres lots of bars further west). As for Absinthe yep you can buy it all over France (although mainly Czech or Spanish versions) with proof of 170 (UK/EU 85 ABV).
On 1/21/08, James Farrar james.farrar@gmail.com wrote:
Wikipedia's main weakness is that, at base, it's a pub conversation. It's a large pub conversation, and is open to contributions from passers-by who know their onions, but it's still basically a bunch of interested people who might -- or might not -- know much about something, having a chat."
I would say, more like a Mensa meeting or something. Read an article about trains, and the contributors aren't "passers-by", they're train nuts who went out of their way to find a forum that actually wants their ridiculous level of knowleddge on the subject.
The really crappy areas are ones where there are no subject areas, and really broad terms.
Steve
Its funny...
This totally random piece of flamebait has actually turned into a bit of a pub conversation!
Seriously though, this usenet post does represent a very usenet-centric perspective of the world... Accept it and move on. If we really did feel we had to defend Wikipedia against every single bit of random biased uninformed negative banter, we really would have our work cut out for ourselves.
On a slightly related note, whats that term for a PR attempt that actually backfires and brings bad publicity into the spotlight? Kinda like what you all may have done with WR?
On Jan 21, 2008 11:05 AM, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/21/08, James Farrar james.farrar@gmail.com wrote:
Wikipedia's main weakness is that, at base, it's a pub conversation. It's a large pub conversation, and is open to contributions from passers-by who know their onions, but it's still basically a bunch of interested people who might -- or might not -- know much about something, having a chat."
I would say, more like a Mensa meeting or something. Read an article about trains, and the contributors aren't "passers-by", they're train nuts who went out of their way to find a forum that actually wants their ridiculous level of knowleddge on the subject.
The really crappy areas are ones where there are no subject areas, and really broad terms.
Steve
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On 1/21/08, aliasd wiki4@da-bom.com wrote:
On a slightly related note, whats that term for a PR attempt that actually backfires and brings bad publicity into the spotlight? Kinda like what you all may have done with WR?
[[Streisand effect]] ?
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
Thats the one! Thanks a heap!
(sorry about the WR comment)
-aliasd
On Jan 21, 2008 2:41 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonavaro@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/21/08, aliasd wiki4@da-bom.com wrote:
On a slightly related note, whats that term for a PR attempt that
actually
backfires and brings bad publicity into the spotlight? Kinda like what
you
all may have done with WR?
[[Streisand effect]] ?
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
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On Jan 20, 2008 7:05 PM, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
The really crappy areas are ones where there are no subject areas, and really broad terms.
You mean like the old http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_faux_pas, and now the daughter articles derived from it?
I was hoping we had solved the problems with that when we split it up into smaller, regional topics, but the things are as bad as ever, I can't look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette_in_Latin_America without wincing.